Black Mage

[Komaru_Tatoro]

Then don't lb. Make your ranged do it. Problem solved. Caster lb is the worst by far out of all of them. Teach your pugs that ranged lb is superior because of the shorter lock duration. It provides greater dps than a caster lb. If you're lbing as a blm you're doing it wrong

i dont got the luxury to do that in a pf without being kick for being selfish.
has that become a norm thing in pug already for range melee to do lb3? if that so, why would they need any caster?

the whole point of me bringing that up was to compare to a smn/rdm after they drop whatever equavilant akind to enochian and how much dps lost once they recover back.
i was in a pf with a smn that lb3 and i was astonish that him/her using lb3 barely dip his/her dps in comparison to blm losing enochian because it takes ~15s long

all i ever want is a even playing field, dont care about dps even if it stays the same. i just want the general public to view blm = smn/rdm and not get outcasted when it comes to high end prog like unending coil or pf clear group that once they got a rdm or smn they dont need a blm.

[Shiroe]

Then don't lb. Make your ranged do it. Problem solved. Caster lb is the worst by far out of all of them. Teach your pugs that ranged lb is superior because of the shorter lock duration. It provides greater dps than a caster lb. If you're lbing as a blm you're doing it wrong

uh? you do know, the caster LB does more damage than the ranged (Brd/Mch) LB...

[KumiKuzumi]

Ranged lb takes 10 seconds. Caster lb takes 15 seconds. Not even counting the gcd gain/loss between the two, the ranged lb has higher dps

[Komaru_Tatoro]

Ranged lb takes 10 seconds. Caster lb takes 15 seconds. Not even counting the gcd gain/loss between the two, the ranged lb has higher dps

i dont disagree with you but will the general public accept it and let you not lb3 without kicking you out of the pf?
it just feel like the proposition is more toward the top %. but what do i know, im just a a dime in a dozen avg blm.

[Shiroe]

Ranged lb takes 10 seconds. Caster lb takes 15 seconds. Not even counting the gcd gain/loss between the two, the ranged lb has higher dps

5 sec for a bigger area of effect

raw damage, caster Lb still does more damage (and 5 sec => caster/Blm wont compensate with 2x flares with only 5y reach)

[zuzu-bq]

But then you're not counting the difference of damage on the jobs using the LB and the loss that happens on the time do you?

[Kabooa]

5 sec for a bigger area of effect

raw damage, caster Lb still does more damage (and 5 sec => caster/Blm wont compensate with 2x flares with only 5y reach)

I mean, it's irrelevant in both cases. Whoever isn't doing the limitbreak is likely just padding off AoE that doesn't matter anyways. Anything more than 5-10% to the ninjas is padding meters.

[Shiroe]

But then you're not counting the difference of damage on the jobs using the LB and the loss that happens on the time do you?

true, blm aoe is strong, but try to convince the party, the weaker Lb with a smaller area of effect should be casted, so the blm/caster personal dps can go up

[Komaru_Tatoro]

im not even sure why we should continue the discussion like this. i mean the reason i brought up things the kill blm enochian upkeep was that there was a comment of saying blm is less complicated than smn or in somewhere down that line. so i brought it up as upkeeping cd buff/enochian isnt exactly a easy thing while still maintaining good dps and dropping it is consider a bigger dps lost.

now i did ask how in dps comparison would the smn lose dps when they misss baha or clipping a af. so any1 can answer that question for me?

not here to argue, just want to say that ea class has their own petpeeves too. im open for friendly discussion.

[zuzu-bq]

Well, most here already brought the point that would truly fix BLM to light, which is basically "give us actual high damage". So all we do is remind the thread of that from time to time and keep making noise.