Black Mage

[Komaru_Tatoro]

no way blm is quick thinking if you want good numbers. blm is all about learning the mechanics and timing when to ll or triple to efficiently stay on top of our A games. because in the end, if we dont effectively use the wholr duration of ll and being a turret at that time, its a waste of ll.

[Remedi]

no way blm is quick thinking if you want good numbers. blm is all about learning the mechanics and timing when to ll or triple to efficiently stay on top of our A games. because in the end, if we dont effectively use the wholr duration of ll and being a turret at that time, its a waste of ll.

Because of how bosses rotations interfere with our rotations sometimes you need to fix something on the fly like dropping a F4 for a fire to keep AF going, so yes BLM do have some quirks to them and you need to fix hiccups


Personally I would still consider BLM easier and more fun but that's my opinion

[Komaru_Tatoro]

but tell me, what cant the smn do, forquick thinking too? they got bunch of ogcd and ruin2 for movement.

[Lelila38]

On paper Blm has an easy rotation, but try keeping that up while dancing to mechanics, while the boss jumps and you lose target (on principle always when you'd need to refresh af or ui), while you're constantly forced to move or while giving your healer mp.
It's always been that way, Blm is easy to learn but one of the hardest classes to master. At least that much is still true.

[Komaru_Tatoro]

no gonna lie. back in arr, i chose blm appose to smn because it was easy to perform. ever since hw, the introduction of enochian complicated things, in the other hand smn does the same usually with a few more ogcd and dwt. i played smn too and i know how it feels to manage the dots and loads of ogcd/gcd stuff you gotta do buy sb made it easier to combine dot teirs to one.
i still stuck with blm because it grew into me that i love the class.
all i want is to stand equally with other caster and not be an outcast because we blm cant bring any raid utility compare to the other 2.

On paper Blm has an easy rotation, but try keeping that up while dancing to mechanics, while the boss jumps and you lose target (on principle always when you'd need to refresh af or ui), while you're constantly forced to move or while giving your healer mp.
It's always been that way, Blm is easy to learn but one of the hardest classes to master. At least that much is still true.

totally agree

[IllyriaKnotfred]

Honestly it really does just boil down to numbers. Just look to logs and you can see that BLM is not in a good place compared to SMN given it gives no utility and raid dps. However small that raid buff may be- they still have more personal dps than BLM to go above and beyond their raid damage. And before anyone says "But da 90-99 percentile!" Sorry, that doesn't count- as those numbers tend to be speed clears and/or padded players simply for good logs. Look at everything below it and numbers speak for themselves.

[Dualgunner]

Honestly it really does just boil down to numbers. Just look to logs and you can see that BLM is not in a good place compared to SMN given it gives no utility and raid dps. However small that raid buff may be- they still have more personal dps than BLM to go above and beyond their raid damage. And before anyone says "But da 90-99 percentile!" Sorry, that doesn't count- as those numbers tend to be speed clears and/or padded players simply for good logs. Look at everything below it and numbers speak for themselves.

Nono, let's be fair and give them 99th percentile.
For Alte Roite:
https://www.fflogs.com/statistics/17# SMN is on average 10.6 dps below SAM. Factor in rDPS and it beats SAM.
For Catastrophe:
https://www.fflogs.com/statistics/17#boss=43&dataset=99 70 points below SAM this time. A bit better but even if SMN only gave 100 in rDPS...it wins top spot again.
For Halicarnassus:
https://www.fflogs.com/statistics/17#boss=44&dataset=99 Summoner is Halicarnassus' GOD.
For ExFaust:
https://www.fflogs.com/statistics/17#boss=45&dataset=99 Summoner is ExFaust's GOD.
For Neo:
https://www.fflogs.com/statistics/17#boss=46&dataset=99 Summoner finally loses to Samurai.
Worth noting that there isn't a single fight in the savage tier where 99th percentile BLM beats 99th percentile SMN.

[Solyra]

Honestly it really does just boil down to numbers. Just look to logs and you can see that BLM is not in a good place compared to SMN given it gives no utility and raid dps. However small that raid buff may be- they still have more personal dps than BLM to go above and beyond their raid damage. And before anyone says "But da 90-99 percentile!" Sorry, that doesn't count- as those numbers tend to be speed clears and/or padded players simply for good logs. Look at everything below it and numbers speak for themselves.

I agree with what you said but not exactly how you're saying it. BLM absolutely needs help because SMN/SAM and even MNK are pretty consistently hitting better numbers than BLM. At every level, not just at the top end. The top end though is where you get the very good players who are not making mechanical mistakes with the class (dropping eno, minimizing movement, efficient use of ogcd's, efficient rotations), which can be considered as playing at the skill ceiling. Trying to exclude people playing the job the best (90-98%) in this discussion misses a crucial part of job balance: what the potential is at the skill ceiling.People like that have functionally maximized the potential of BLM and are STILL having issues finding groups/getting locked out of PF, since you get functionally out-dps'ed by a 75%ile bard. That means that being the one of the BEST BLM's playing at a high level (without doing 99/100 cheese) you're still worth less than that random 70-80%ile bard/mch.

[IllyriaKnotfred]

Yep.

I agree 100%. I probably didn't explain appropriately. I'm not the best at it lol. But felt the need to talk about it.

[Komaru_Tatoro]

Honestly it really does just boil down to numbers. Just look to logs and you can see that BLM is not in a good place compared to SMN given it gives no utility and raid dps. However small that raid buff may be- they still have more personal dps than BLM to go above and beyond their raid damage. And before anyone says "But da 90-99 percentile!" Sorry, that doesn't count- as those numbers tend to be speed clears and/or padded players simply for good logs. Look at everything below it and numbers speak for themselves.

i guess you mean we should like compare all the caster and see at 75 or 80%tile what is that dps value comparison?