Built-in Parsers

[NintenPyjak64]

I'd like to ask a hypothetical question to the anti-parser people

You're doing O3S, you have a NIN, MNK, RDM and MCH for DPS, and you fail a DPS check 3 times in a row (ignoring tank and healer DPS, let's say it's the White Flame). Somebody you're playing with is running ACT and notices the RDM has considerably lower DPS and higher HPS then usual, and are the only person who has 1 or 2 deaths per attempt. Checking the abilities used shows the RDM is frequently casting Vercure, Jolt 2 (while procs are available) And unenchanted melee attacks.

You and other party members offer advice but it falls on deaf ears. Another failed DPS check and people are starting to get angry

You are the party leader of this team, what would you do? What do you think is fair? Does the RDM's enjoyment of how they play justify the growing frustration of the other party members?

EDIT: The party is a late phase learning party or a weekly kill party. NOT a fresh learning party

[Kacho_Nacho]

I'd like to ask a hypothetical question to the anti-parser people

You're doing O3S, you have a NIN, MNK, RDM and MCH for DPS, and you fail a DPS check 3 times in a row (ignoring tank and healer DPS, let's say it's the White Flame). Somebody you're playing with is running ACT and notices the RDM has considerably lower DPS and higher HPS then usual, and are the only person who has 1 or 2 deaths per attempt. Checking the abilities used shows the RDM is frequently casting Vercure, Jolt 2 (while procs are available) And unenchanted melee attacks.

You and other party members offer advice but it falls on deaf ears. Another failed DPS check and people are starting to get angry

You are the party leader of this team, what would you do? What do you think is fair? Does the RDM's enjoyment of how they play justify the growing frustration of the other party members?

EDIT: The party is a late phase learning party or a weekly kill party. NOT a fresh learning party

Nice example! I'd say it was time to get rid of the RDM and initiate the kick. It is fair to do so because the RDM is obviously ignoring the advice of party members and I. The RDM's enjoyment of how they play is impeding the party as a whole.

Even though I lean toward no parsers, your hypothetical question shows one of your party using a parser correctly.

[NintenPyjak64]

Even though I lean toward no parsers, your hypothetical question shows one of your party using a parser correctly.

Realistically, this is what most people who advocate for parsers do. Tools like FFlogs only improve by adding overall class rankings and timelines. Let's take my recent log of O3S for example: 80th percentile on WAR as MT. I can easily take this information, look at other WARs who are 81%+ and see what they do differently then I do. Timelines help a ton too as they show exactly when a person uses what ability.

It's because of sites like FFLogs and Warcraftlogs (bless your soul Khira) that I've not only improved myself but other people as well. I'm more then willing to help people down to a fundamental level, but as my old man always says: "You can't help those who don't want to help themselves"

I will not deny the existence of people who use parsers as a weapon, I've been hit by people like that before. I had low DPS on an alt character because my gear was trash, and I was trying to get better gear. But this is what the report function is for. Harrassment, parser or otherwise, should be unacceptable, but in my opinion, the pros outweigh the cons. Even though it may anger a portion of the playerbase, imagine the PS4 playerbase who'd be ecstatic over the implementation