Quote Originally Posted by Estelle9lives View Post
I'm confused about this statement. How does the other healers have way more OGCD healing options?

AST: Essential Dignity (40s CD, variable potency, from 400 to 1000 potency), Earthly Star (60s CD, up to 800 potency)
WHM: Tetragrammaton (60s CD subject to Lily variation, 700 potency), Benediction (180s CD, healing equal to over 2000 potency+), Assize (60s CD subject to Lily variation, 300 potency), Asylum (90s CD subject to Lily variation, 800 potency over 24s), Plenary Indulgence (60s CD, 150-450 potency)
SCH: Lustrate (1s CD, 600 potency), Indomitability (30s CD, 500 potency), Rouse + Whispering Dawn (60s CD, 980 potency over 21s), Excogitation (45s CD, 800 potency)


WHM is the healer with the most OGCD healing options. You could argue that a SCH spamming Lustrate has more overall output, but for SCH specifically, each OGCD they spend on healing is 150 potency lost from an Energy Drain.
I was referring to AOE healing oGCDs (which I said in the second sentence). And you didn't mention any of the healer CDs that also significantly reduce the AOE heal burden without actually being a heal:

WHM: Assize, Asylum, Plenary Indulgence (grey because this is GCD tied), I'll even through PoM in there although VERY rarely is this used as a healing CD. That's 2 standard healing oGCDs and 2 like "half" ones.
AST: Earthly Star, Collective Unconscious, Lightspeed (including because I also included PoM, although unlike PoM this is always used as a healing CD), and in terms of options AST also could potentially have an AOE bole, which I'm only mentioning because it's still a capability they have, and I also want to compare capabilities in addition to feasibility. So again 2 standard healing oGCDs and 2 "half" ones, one used reliably as a healer CD, the other completely unreliable but fancy in a pinch. I'd give them a slight edge over WHM.
SCH: Oh boy, Sacred Soil, Whispering Dawn, Emergency Tactics (tied to a GCD), Indom, Fey Illumination, Fey Covenant, Deployment Tactics (tied to a GCD), could technically throw dissipation in here. so 5 standard oGCDs, 2 "half" ones tied to a GCD, and one funky one (dissipation) I'd throw in the same class as AOE bole or PoM in terms of not counting it. Obvious edge SCH.


Although if you're going to tally up ALL healer CDs between healers:
WHM: Tetra, Benediction, PI, Assize, Asylum, divine benison, and I'll toss in Thin Air and PoM because they're CDs too. If we count each, that's "really" 7 (with one that's GCD tied) but technically 8, because PoM, and you could make a case for assize.
AST: Essential Dignity, Earthly Star, Collective Unconscious, Synastry, Lady of Crowns (unpredictable but you will get these in the course of a fight so it's worth including), Light speed, Celestial Opposition (because it extends healer buffs), could also count Bole because a lucky bole before a tank buster could save a heal GCD for DPS. So that's 7 (one that MIGHT mean a GCD loss for holding still), and 8 if you count bole. About even between AST and WHM.
SCH: Lustrate, Emergency Tactics (GDC Tied), Excog, Aetherpact, Fey covenant, Fey illumination, Sacred Soil, Whispering Dawn + Rouse (not going to count rouse separately), Deployment Tactics (GCD tied), and Dissipation (which is iffy). So that's 9 with two GCD tied, and 10 if you count dissipation. Obvious edge SCH.

In terms of oGCD capabilities, that's it for WHM, but AST still has cards to play with which is a huge boon, and SCH still has chain strategem (plus fey wind in the opener). Cards and Chain add much more to the party than cure3.
Now in terms of adding in remaining GCDs to compare capabilities WHM has 1 more healing GCD than AST, and 2 more than SCH (I'm just counting embrace like a standard GCD because even though it doesn't cost anything it functions more like a GCD than an oGCD). But functionality wise AST has cards (and no one is going to claim the boon from cards is equivalent to the boon from cure3). And SCH has extra DPS skills over WHM/AST in addition to their extra oGCDs.

I'm also not sure why we're parading around cure3 like it's some balancing god. Cure3 is handy, don't get me wrong, but it can be pretty niche and ends up causing a lot of overheal, especially when we're past the first couple of weeks of a tier. You can't say the same for cards or the flexibility SCH has. And that's really the point, not a potency by potency comparison, but what each of the three healers can functionally do and if that's balanced. Healing wise, AST and WHM are relatively even, but AST has cards and whm has cure 3. And SCH, as always, has the most things they can do.


Also Miste you're cherry picking skills again for your own narrative. I was being facetious when throwing around the word "fair" in the first post because you were creating specific scenarios to prove your potency comparisons and I was pointing out that if you were going to generate unrealistic bubbles to do comparisons in, at least make it fair within that idealistic bubble. Which is why I worked within your bubble in one post, and then specifically said you can't do this in a separate post, because it's apples to oranges. To be practical you need to consider standard healing strategies like combining dir aspected helios with CU. Also in your idealistic bubble example I was specifically referring to building stacks for PI, which requires an AoE GCD that actually heals (can't be 100% overheal). You don't med2 three times in a row for anything, ever. But again your comparisons are one-off bubble instances, instead of considering the course of a whole fight where you will use all of the tools available in your tool kit in an optimal way.