Isn't it about time for WHM to get an AOE mitigation tool?

[Miste]

On the converse we have overly pedantic, insensitive/borderline insulting

You can't be serious. The first post I saw you make in here made a borderline insulting cheap shot at me for simply asking a poster for proof of their claims in a discussion I was having with them that you were not even a part of at the time. You also made fun of anyone who plays Diurnal AST for having an opinion on this just because you don't agree with it.

No I don’t bother to screenshot PF just to service forum justice for situations I haven’t even imagined happening yet. That’s a ridiculous request.

“I’m an dir AST who’s entire skill kit was literally ripped from WHM plus my MAIN GCD heals are more potent than WHM, plus I have the highest potency heal in the game, plus I give everyone various buffs, plus even as dir I can mitigate … but WHM should only raw heal or regen.” lolwut.

I responded to you and yes I was a bit cheeky because of that cheap shot about the exclusion screenshots you aimed at me, but then your second post in a reply to me is full of passive aggressiveness.

Well thank you for proving that you lack awareness of the difference of healers and your inability to read tool tips or confirm with your own tests.

I challenged your claims about diurnal ast and then you tried to pretend you were talking about nocturnal and insinuated I have no awareness and that I cannot read. Ad hominem much?

If you are going to claim anyone else is being insulting then open up your eyes to your own posts. Anything else at that point, well, all bets are off because you may get back what you put out.

Anyways I'll just address one of the pedantic comments for the time being:

Calculations for diurnal, because apparently we need to write out that only benefic I vs. cure I are flipped in this stance (vs. noct), [i]while still having much lower mp costs[i/]

Base cure I potency: 450
Base cure II potency: 700
Base medica potency: 300

Base benefic I potency: 400
Base benefic II potency: 650
Base Helios potency: 300

Dir stance's tool tip: increases healing potency by 10%

Actual potency:
Benefic I: 400 * 1.1 = 440
Benefic II: 650 * 1.1 = 715
Helios: 300 * 1.1 = 330


But please, continue to say that these are "negligible differences" to keep forwarding your own agenda while ignoring the facts.

So you think you thinking I need the math for these instead of just in-game tests isn't pedantic? Riiiighttttt.... alright then pot meet kettle. At least if you are going to call me out on something then don't be hypocritical and do the exact same thing two times as well with your math explanations.

Although I can clarify to you now none of what I have explained in this thread I intended to be pedantic. I was simply having a discussion with people and I mean if you cannot share information just because you'll be ostentatious if you do so then why even have discussions? I never even considered your math pedantic originally, but if you are going to label other people as such then don't expect not to be reminded of your hypocrisy.

I know math I just didn't bother going into the math of WHM vs. AST Benefic and Cure because I have them both leveled and I have a weapon to make my AST same item level as my WHM. In-game average test shows just fine that there is barely any difference.

15 more potency on Benefic II isn't negligible? Even when Benefic I is 10 potency lower so the gap is actually only 5 potency total? Five You do realize that 5 potency difference is on average like 50 HP difference at i339. I would say that is completely negligible.

As for Helios if you are going to add that in there then where is Medica II and Aspected Helios? I am guessing you probably left it out because Medica II is actually 40 more potency than Aspected Helios after you total it. So Medica I lags behind Helios by 30 but Medica II gains ahead of Aspected Helios by 40 so again it makes the gap only 10 potency difference but in favour of WHM this time.

This is why I mentioned before that you cannot simply pick apart each healer's toolkit and compare just single items against other single items or selective parts of the toolkit against other selective parts. All the healers play differently so they have different tools to obtain similar results to the other healers. So sometimes you may have to examine the toolkit on a larger scale and compare multiple items to one item or vice versa.

This is the same problem I mentioned before. People wanting 100% balance and don't understand that it isn't possible to the point where we are arguing about a Five potency difference between Diurnal AST and WHM Benefics and Cures like it is a huge issue that proves WHM is so much weaker than AST and needs help.

PS. Mentioning MP when WHM, AST, and SCH all have well rounded MP management right now is so pointless. All of them are quite balanced.

Do you mind taking moment to explain why you are contrasting three things versus one thing when discussing Earthly Star? I’m not sure I understand why that’s a valid comparison.

She said she had an issue with the range of Cure III so I posted it to help her adjust if she needs to that part wasn't really about specifically comparing Earthly Star just about helping her with the range issue. I mean sometimes people are too spread out for me too or Earthly Star is on cooldown as well so I have to adjust too and cannot use it and so I use other tools I have like maybe Lightspeed + Helios. Also she kind of claimed that WHM has no way to match these heals when they do. They just do it differently. So it was more showing that WHM has the tools to get an AoE heal that has more range on it that actually overtakes Earthly Star.

Like I said above the reason you sometimes cannot compare a single item in a toolkit to another single item in a toolkit is because the healers all play differently to get similar results. I mean if all the healers were carbon copies of each other with the exact same toolkits then yes you could compare in such a way, but they aren't. So sometimes you have to compare multiple things or the entire toolkit.

Simply put strictly comparing potency of 1-3 different spells in order to claim that one healer is weaker than another just doesn't show the entire picture.