Isn't it about time for WHM to get an AOE mitigation tool?

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To be fair you kind of jumped in here and probably don't fully understand why people misunderstood them.

As I said, I read all 16 pages.

Some of the things they were claiming were confronted with facts not that their opinion is invalid due to no reason. If you try to claim Indom and Earthly Star by themselves heals for more than anything WHM can do well I showed with facts that just isn't true.

No you didn't. You used specifically selected skills to compare to make your point while manipulating the presentation or leaving out important deals. You tried to compare apples to oranges when you frankly can't. Both indom and earthy are oGCDs that are more potent than any WHM oGCD save PI which requires 3 GCD procs to even come close, so can't functionally count it as an oGCD. You compared things like two WHM oGCDs and one GCD to one scholar oGCD. That's not even practical.

SE has actually said in live letters that WHM is supposed to be a pure healer. So it seems to me they made the definitions not us. Whether or not we want to agree with them is just our own opinions.

This was mistranslated and later corrected to raw healer, and also then explained to mean that they the expectation for WHM isn't one where it doesn't do other things besides raw healing (like DPS). Also at no point was the definition of raw healer established or explained to mean "THEY CAN ONLY RAW HEAL AND HAVE NO OTHER TOOLS." Raw healing isn't mutually exclusive, not sure why you're assuming it is.

They actually did ask for a shield same power as Succor and Aspected Helios.

This is no where in the OP, to which I was referring to as the original point of discussion.

Simple. Don't have a dead co-healer?

Right, because everything will go swimmingly in prog and we'll 1shot. God forbid two healers have the tools to recover the missing WHM utility if a WHM goes down, but WHM can't have any tools to recover the missing utility if an AST or SCH goes down.

Proves nothing.

Right, multiple players telling you yes it's happened to us personally, hey here's some screenshots, hey go do the math so you can see yourself. But it doesn't fit with your argument so please keep denying we exist and are saying yes it's happened to me and others.

I think the forums would be in an uproar if tons of WHMs were getting kicked from their statics simply for being a WHM. I've only seen two people now claiming that exclusion is a thing. Where are the rest?

Actually no, not really. The amount of raiders on the forums is TINY. For various reasons I won't get into. But very few contribute on the OFs.

The rest of the SCH kit? WHM can do everything there except for the AoE shield, buffing party healing, and the Fey Wind (although they have their own personal Fey Wind with PoM; it's not AoE but it is more potent than Fey Wind.

Or single target shield on demand (benison requires a proc), or crit buff on the boss, or mitigation incoming damage with soil, or do a ton more 0 mp healing.

To use your phrasing here.....

"lolwut"?

I have both AST and WHM same item level and their Cure II/Benefic II heal for on average around the same amount and actually Benefic I healing on average a couple hundred lower than WHM's Cure I.

At least if you are going claim this stuff test it first.

Well thank you for proving that you lack awareness of the difference of healers and your inability to read tool tips or confirm with your own tests.

Base cure I potency: 450
Base cure II potency: 700
Base medica potency: 300

Base benefic I potency: 400
Base benefic II potency: 650
Base Helios potency: 300

Now read noct stance's tool tip: increases healing potency by 15%

actual potency:
Benefic I: 400 * 1.15 = 460
Benefic II: 650 * 1.15 = 747.5
Helios: 300 * 1.15 = 345
Aspected Helios: (150 + 225) * 1.15 = 431.25

Oh and ALL of them cost less mp than their WHM equivalents. So bigger heal and less cost.

AST? Has the highest potency heal in the game?

Benediction says Hi

Most potent AOE heal. The implied inference is quite plain.

Nice try, but I am on Primal too.

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What exactly are you trying to prove or complain about here?

You asked for proof of PFs specifically excluding WHM and I provided them. I'm not entirely sure what your point is of posting a bunch of regular PFs? No one is arguing that there are parties that will take a WHM, the point is that WHM is the only healer that is actively excluded right now, and for a reason. None of your photos show either AST or SCH being actively excluded save one, which honestly because of the order of roles, looks like they had a WHM who left and they didn't update the PF (vs. the default order being specifically modified).

You can't say something doesn't happen because here are a bunch of parties where it doesn't. I just posted some where it does, your argument doesn't negate anything.