Isn't it about time for WHM to get an AOE mitigation tool?

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Uh, so you speak for SE now?

We're going to have to agree to disagree on this point I guess, perhaps I'm still stuck in the mentality of 'SCH brings the barriers and WHM brings the HP' from ARR /shrug.

it sounds like you've had a bit of a "sheltered healer" life

Yes and no. Whilst yes, I've worked hard to ensure I've earned a safe seat with good company over the years, doesn't mean I don't enjoy a good trap party too. You only have to look at how many post lockout A12s I uploaded at the end of HW to get an idea of that.

I mean raid launch is tomorrow, it would make sense for those who are switching back to WHM for prog to prep their prog class xD

You misunderstand me, they never switched away from WHM.

I'm not sure I get your point. Mitigation isn't going to get them up to 50k hp? Mitigation is just going to take the edge of the initial hit.

Effective HP. 40k caster, 4k galv, 6k 'aoe benison'. You've got 50k effective HP with little to no positioning requirements, throw in a Shake it off and it starts getting sillier. With the way that debuffs don't apply when a hit gets entirely absorbed, that's a dangerous slope that's inevitably going to start breaking mechanics.

Right, because everything will go swimmingly in prog and we'll 1shot. God forbid two healers have the tools to recover the missing WHM utility if a WHM goes down, but WHM can't have any tools to recover the missing utility if an AST or SCH goes down.

TBH I think this depends on your healer's mentality and ability more than anything. I generally had a good track record of saving raids when my 'weaker' or more DPS minded co healers went down irrespective of what healer I was on, but it was rare for them to be able to do the same as they would fail to react in time. On the flipside, sometimes it feels like my current co healer could carry a raid on RDM =(

I definitely feel your point here on progression and it's frustrating when people build entire theories around perfection that rarely adds up irrespective of the level your group plays at. Yet quite frankly, I'm inclined to think that if you can recover from a healer death during progression, then either the healer died at an opportune moment or perhaps the content is simply too forgiving. Healers shouldn't be dieing during progression (Not you Manipulator!).

Actually no, not really. The amount of raiders on the forums is TINY. For various reasons I won't get into. But very few contribute on the OFs.

I'll vouch for this sadly. A very significant portion of my FC is banned from the forums here with most of the remainder wanting nothing to do with it because of that (And I know of many more very prominent community figures that are also banned from here). I very nearly got a perma ban for my guides on how to sustain 1k DPS in the original HW dungeons as a SCH (I linked video replays that had very simplified DPS output, TOS break go!) and got away with it by the skin of my teeth to say the least.

At the risk of side tracking, I honestly think it'd be in SE's interest to put in a 'anything goes but keep it civil' section where parser talk is allowed. It's easy enough to hide it behind disclaimers and tick boxes, it'd give them a good source of insight into the often wacky world of high end raiding IMHO.

Also I frequently get pressured into switching off WHM. Hi, I exist. Also of the groups I've encounter, a lot more push for me to switch than support my staying.

Again, I see your point, but I wonder if you're being a bit sensitive about it? My co healer would prefer me to be on AST over WHM and frankly, if I group ran for more than an hour a week I'd likely have made the switch. The same could be said for our DPS tho. In the end we don't really have the will nor desire to push speed runs (outside of my co healer nudging me along to try and always improve our combined healer DPS ofc) so for the most part, we just go as what we enjoy/feel most comfortable playing. About the only person who's locked in is our Nin due to our tanks being massive DPS nuts

If you're without a group already it's MUCH harder to find one if you're trying to find one as a WHM.

Again, my experience suggests this is due to a never ending shortage of raid level SCHs (and by proxy, capable ASTs that would consider Noct to be their primary sect.

Pps, excuse me if some of my responses are a little harsh, please don't take it as me being salty or such. This is a legitimately enjoyable debate, thanks <3