In Regard to Housing in Patch 4.1

[Aerlana]

tl;dr: YoshiP and SE don't care about you, or your suggestions.

Everyone is naive. It amazes me, after reading through this thread, that people are actually thanking YoshiP ... for what? Saying the same sh**uff for the past 4 years? FFXIV has a well known history of botching releases, and the subsequent "fixes." Every time the player base comes out en masse, good ol' Yoshi hops on and spews some garbage about how they care, and are going to fix it. When has that ever actually happened?

Marry me!

I understand the rage, but it doesn't justify using false informations to back up your thoughts. First of all - it happened multiple times that they improved their stuff and listened to community. It's just wrong and unfair to claim that they never do..

Hum, you are right, but, you forgot ALL THINGS they just said "sorry" and did nothing.

ARR release => fail => sorry => HW release => fail => sorry => SB release => fails => Sorry
(Raubahn Xtrem, DF congestion, Ixion cognestion, long queue, due to people using a trick they used in ARR release 4 years earlier... and never they worked on this issue)
Each time "sorry, we blame servers" ... 4 years it is the matter. Shouldnt they do a real thing about it? Yes they did european server, htey move NA server to larger building (for more) but... If they did well, SB release shouldnt be what we saw...

Housing : NEVER had enough house, without speaking about devious price at the release, the house were to expensive for most people... so dont care if there isnt enough for everyone... only few people could get it, others needed to farm more.

And now? 2 years people are saying "due new things, the game is boring"... and what now? lvl 70 => kill lakshmi, susano, farm their stuff... and then? daily dongeon. yay, Leveling the 15 jobs become a main activity...
2.1 = 3 dongeon / 3.1 = 2 dongeon / 4.1 = 1 and half dongeon (1 on .1/.3/.5 and 2 on .2/.4 he said) so less content. (Yes we get the supersadic thing... that is for a part of people doing sadic, that already are a part of the players...)


Yoshida did more "sorry" than fixing. What about diadem? people was happy to read/hear his apologizes. But now? where we heared? nope.

Most of upgrade you say he did was upgrade that were EVERYWHERE except FFXIV... Some where things we knew he would add after release, just was not ready for release.


For the housing, Yoshida and his team know better than each of us how much people activ there is on each server. Because, they are in the side where they need to know it. (For housing but not only)... AND you just have to read any census to know that 2880 plot isnt enough...


Now, i dont care when Yoshida speaks, i just want him to act.
BUT the fact is, Yoshida did a big mistake : personnal and FC housing are the same. And he dont know how to fix the issue it creates, maybe he doesnt care. Why waiting 2 years to add wards? And then saying "We fail to make all happy" ...

[AlthusRitoto]

I admit that 4.0 release was absolute unplanned trainwreck due to congestion and failure of duty stability.

At the same time I am also kind of glad he didnt think about adding housing during 4.0.

[Aerlana]

4) That's a typical argument just for the sake of raging. I get it, I myself don't have a single mogstation item. I find some of their pricing to be a little off, but when you look at other mmos and gaming industry these days, it's like nothing. I highly recommend you to check other mmos cash shops. Focus specifically on biggest players on the market - WoW and GW2. Also check some "F2P" mmos where you often end up dumping twice as much. A lot of single player games have microtransactions. Countless DLC's on top of that and adding RNG mechanics in order to increase players addiction.

To be honnest, this way to think make me more salty than all Yoshidas fail

"They all do this, so no way to blame any of them"

I blame them all. I am on FFXIV forum i blame FFXIV... not Fifa.


BUT more... you said to watch F2P shop => shop is "their sub" Even if i dislike most of those shop they are here for better reason than FFXIV cash shop
GW2 = Buy2Play with NO sub. so to maintain server, they need income => shop
WoW => Yes, best way to compare. And wow did an error. Hard error? hum. Now most minions (every) that spawns in cash shop is for "make a wish" or other charity program when natural mistake in the world (as, recently, american hurricane). In the first month (where the most are sold) so blizzard dont get so much money from this. But ok... go compare?

If i dont do mistake, WoW cash shop will turn 7 soon => 14 minions at 10 euros each. and 11 mount at 25 euros each => 415 euros if a new player comes and buy all. They were added all along those 7 years
add 3 helm you can buy only with bnet app (not in game as other stuff) => +45 euros (3x15)

Then lets see our "not bad" cash shop. 3 years old
i count : appeareances with only female thing (not all so); mounts, minions, seasonnal mixt, seasonnal female, chocobo stuff, emotes, orchestrion roll. AND housing (counting each item only one time... even for those that would want more than 1)
each time, when there is a pack i used the price of the pack (so for example, the 5 scythe in 1 pack, not the price of each)
632,5 euros


So, lets see the bad cash shop from wow, bouh, he is bad. it allows us to get one worst!


I didnt count on both the server change, sex change xxx change... nor the lvling thing, I didnt count ... wedding (7/14 euros) and... didnt count retainers (you know, the sub you can choose to pay when you already you pay the game sub)



FIRST : stop "they all do, FFXIV can do"

[Imsoangry]

Marry me!



Hum, you are right, but, you forgot ALL THINGS they just said "sorry" and did nothing.

ARR release => fail => sorry => HW release => fail => sorry => SB release => fails => Sorry
(Raubahn Xtrem, DF congestion, Ixion cognestion, long queue, due to people using a trick they used in ARR release 4 years earlier... and never they worked on this issue)
Each time "sorry, we blame servers" ... 4 years it is the matter. Shouldnt they do a real thing about it? Yes they did european server, htey move NA server to larger building (for more) but... If they did well, SB release shouldnt be what we saw...

Housing : NEVER had enough house, without speaking about devious price at the release, the house were to expensive for most people... so dont care if there isnt enough for everyone... only few people could get it, others needed to farm more.

And now? 2 years people are saying "due new things, the game is boring"... and what now? lvl 70 => kill lakshmi, susano, farm their stuff... and then? daily dongeon. yay, Leveling the 15 jobs become a main activity...
2.1 = 3 dongeon / 3.1 = 2 dongeon / 4.1 = 1 and half dongeon (1 on .1/.3/.5 and 2 on .2/.4 he said) so less content. (Yes we get the supersadic thing... that is for a part of people doing sadic, that already are a part of the players...)


Yoshida did more "sorry" than fixing. What about diadem? people was happy to read/hear his apologizes. But now? where we heared? nope.

Most of upgrade you say he did was upgrade that were EVERYWHERE except FFXIV... Some where things we knew he would add after release, just was not ready for release.


For the housing, Yoshida and his team know better than each of us how much people activ there is on each server. Because, they are in the side where they need to know it. (For housing but not only)... AND you just have to read any census to know that 2880 plot isnt enough...


Now, i dont care when Yoshida speaks, i just want him to act.
BUT the fact is, Yoshida did a big mistake : personnal and FC housing are the same. And he dont know how to fix the issue it creates, maybe he doesnt care. Why waiting 2 years to add wards? And then saying "We fail to make all happy" ...

How come that ARR release was a fail ? I was there, day 1 of early access and I remember that certain quest was broken (similiar to Raubahn extreme). It got fixed rather quick, I don't recall them writing essays on how they apologise, nor I remember any issues that'd prevent me from playing during 1st month. Heavensward launch wasn't a fail either. It was by far the smoothest MMO launch I have ever experienced. The only issue HW had at the start, is that they assumed that playerbase is better at this game and will improve over time. Sadly that wasn't the case. Complexity of jobs discouraged a lot of people and overall structure of 3.0-3.1 was just bad. Gordias was too hard for majority. Relic was too grindy as a result. New content was just poorly designed (diadem) or not needed in this game (LOV). 3.2 and next patches improved a lot on that matter though. Stormblood launch wasn't indeed the greatest I've seen. As I said in my previous post, I highly doubt they will ever put DF instance that is as long at the start of MSQ ever again. The only issues you mentioned are congestion related and I myself cannot fully blame SE for that. You have to realise, that way more people play this game than back in HW. What part of it is hard for you to understand ? If we had aroud the same amount of players as like back in heavensward, than you prolly wouldn't be seeing those congestion related issues. Worth mentioning is the fact that they got it fixed eventually.
I fully agree that housing at the current state is unacceptable. It's been enough waiting for them to change something but then again - community has NEVER spoken as loud as now. You can say as much as you want, but you just deny facts if you don't see that situation has never been as bad as right now.

We don't really get less content. We get less dungeons now. If all of them are as good as latest one, then I'm perfectly fine with it. We get around the same amount of content as usual. It's still by far WAY more than other mmos on the market provide. If you claim what I say is not true, show me 1 solid MMO that introduces as much content as FFXIV every few months. I'd gladly see that. People say 'game is boring' on every game forum. Check wow forums - people complain. Check GW2 forums - people complain. Check Wildstar forums - people complain. No matter what people always will complain, as it's literally impossible to create a game that'd have infinite amount of content for you to enjoy. That will never happen. I myself have lots of things to do, if this game is only doing daily dungeon for you, then maybe you should consider if its worth playing it at all. You say game is boring, but numbers prove you're wrong. Again - we have more active players than ever. How come that's the case given this game is so painfully boring as you claim ?
Also, what you said about their improvements is complete nonsense. I've been watching live letter prior to ARR release. I remember features they were promissing back then, and its undeniable that a lot of improvements has been made due to players asking for them constantly.

One thing comes to my mind, why not play those other games then ? Why you decide to suffer here, given the fact that according to your claims literally every mmo seems to be better than FFXIV ? This game is 4 years old. Rest assured, WoW didn't have many of the features and improvements that it has now, when it was 4 years old. It's just so unfair to say that nothing improves. I mean come on, do you even remember how this game looked like back in 2.1 ? I do, and while Im far from defending SE for current housing situation, I'd never say that huge improvements are not here.

To be honnest, this way to think make me more salty than all Yoshidas fail

"They all do this, so no way to blame any of them"

I blame them all. I am on FFXIV forum i blame FFXIV... not Fifa.


BUT more... you said to watch F2P shop => shop is "their sub" Even if i dislike most of those shop they are here for better reason than FFXIV cash shop
GW2 = Buy2Play with NO sub. so to maintain server, they need income => shop
WoW => Yes, best way to compare. And wow did an error. Hard error? hum. Now most minions (every) that spawns in cash shop is for "make a wish" or other charity program when natural mistake in the world (as, recently, american hurricane). In the first month (where the most are sold) so blizzard dont get so much money from this. But ok... go compare?

If i dont do mistake, WoW cash shop will turn 7 soon => 14 minions at 10 euros each. and 11 mount at 25 euros each => 415 euros if a new player comes and buy all. They were added all along those 7 years
add 3 helm you can buy only with bnet app (not in game as other stuff) => +45 euros (3x15)

Then lets see our "not bad" cash shop. 3 years old
i count : appeareances with only female thing (not all so); mounts, minions, seasonnal mixt, seasonnal female, chocobo stuff, emotes, orchestrion roll. AND housing (counting each item only one time... even for those that would want more than 1)
each time, when there is a pack i used the price of the pack (so for example, the 5 scythe in 1 pack, not the price of each)
632,5 euros


So, lets see the bad cash shop from wow, bouh, he is bad. it allows us to get one worst!


I didnt count on both the server change, sex change xxx change... nor the lvling thing, I didnt count ... wedding (7/14 euros) and... didnt count retainers (you know, the sub you can choose to pay when you already you pay the game sub)

Honestly, 'don't math me bro' as you fail hard time. Your calculations are inaccurate again as they don't take into consideration that lots of those mogstation items were obtainbable in the game already. Obviously GW2 has to make money somehow due to no sub fee, but Im quite sure you never played it as else, you'd be disgusted at frequency of their cash shop updates and pricing given how it has always been lacking meaningful content. Hell, it took them years to introduce raids (pretty bad ones I should add) and mounts. Also you fail to realise that WoW isn't updated with stuff to do as often as FFXIV, same thing with GW2 where most content is just 'meh'.
I'm not saying that cash shop is awesome, as I already stated I own literally 0 items from it and somehow I'm alive, even though I have a collector nature. If you feel they don't deserve extra money simply don't give it to them. It's as simple as that. No idea why you have bought collector edition of ARR, HW and SB knowing this game is so terrible.

Obviously you didn't repond to other points that I made but I'm not surprised as it's hard to argue with facts. Keep ranting if you wish or call community stupid for having faith in dev team. You have full right to do so. I just find it funny as even before Yoshida responded, there has been many people saying that SE doesn't give a damn and that we they won't even respond or do anything about it. Yet we're here in a thread that says more wards will be added along with some changes to how they're obtained. If they don't actually fix it, then I'd rant myself but for now patience is all we have. Just like they promised token loot system during Las Vegas fan fest, ranting to introduce it earlier wouldn't really change much.

[Aerlana]

I read many live letters from alpha, beta. I played from beta for both game...
WoW didnt have this boring effect until cataclysm (we can see it now in SB... was the case during 3.1...)

And my calculations are inacurate? Because seasonnal items were ingame item? but now they are in cash shop. A new player that begin the game now have to buy them. Was free stuff, why doesnt stay free stuff, as they did in FFXI for seasonnal stuff? Just because... Money Enix wants more, and more.



You want me to respond all? ok...

1) i answered, they know how much player activ on each serv. They knew, from the 2.1 they didnt have enough house. They knew the incoming fail. So coming after and saying "sorry" it is just bullshit

2) Yep, all game with success during launch get servers matter. But some does it for 1, 2 day, 1 week... for SB it was nearly 1 month! THIS is the problem

3) 4 years of server inefficiency to take a huge load of people. SE KNOWS the number of players, of sub, they KNOW what will happen. It is their JOB.

4) i answered, i add answer after.




Edit :

Why i stay on FFXIV? same reason i stay on WoW, i love both game. Not everything is perfect/bad.
The matter i have with what you say, is you speak about only the good side of what yoshida did. i can say anything else he did good, you maybe forgot it Veteran reward for 360 days, it was cheap, really... 2 things as other reward, and one was 50 etheral teleport shit... He did a simple change : adding 2 other stuff in the rewards. Magic evryone happy.

To be honest, the way the game is going... i will probably not buy 5.0...
If you want to stay with your pink glasses, ok for you. But, try to understand what people says when they rage against FFXIV/SE/Yoshida. Raging people are not salty stupid people. They are for some young and old players, even legacy players. FFXI player, legacy AND FFXI player, they played wow, GW2 and other, for some from the begining. Many people here left WoW for FFXIV because of decision from WoW like... cash shop?
People are in fire most of time because what happened is ONE THING after OTHERS... And in the end, one thing + other things = too much things.

[Imsoangry]

I read many live letters from alpha, beta. I played from beta for both game...
WoW didnt have this boring effect until cataclysm (we can see it now in SB... was the case during 3.1...)

And my calculations are inacurate? Because seasonnal items were ingame item? but now they are in cash shop. A new player that begin the game now have to buy them. Was free stuff, why doesnt stay free stuff, as they did in FFXI for seasonnal stuff? Just because... Money Enix wants more, and more.



You want me to respond all? ok...

1) i answered, they know how much player activ on each serv. They knew, from the 2.1 they didnt have enough house. They knew the incoming fail. So coming after and saying "sorry" it is just bullshit

2) Yep, all game with success during launch get servers matter. But some does it for 1, 2 day, 1 week... for SB it was nearly 1 month! THIS is the problem

3) 4 years of server inefficiency to take a huge load of people. SE KNOWS the number of players, of sub, they KNOW what will happen. It is their JOB.

4) i answered, i add answer after.

If you have really seen said liveletters and read text letters they've been posting on lodestone as well, then you wouldn't be spreading complete nonsense, that improvements that I mentioned were promised before the game got even released. As I've already said, a lot of said improvements are due to players feedback and its a fact.

I'm sorry but why you claim that new player HAVE to buy something. That's complete nonsense. I myself never bought a single item, yet I'm still fine and alive. I don't really see how new players are FORCED to buy anything. Are you also forced to buy artbooks just because they give you some minions ? Seriously.

1) Yeah they know, they also for sure didn't expect that playerbase will go up by as much as it did. Why else do you think we had no similiar issues in heavensward, yet we had them now ?

2) It wasn't 'nearly a month'. As soon as they introduced 'Simultaneous Logout Measures' which was 29.06 - most issues were gone. I admit that it was still rather bad, but if you claim something, use facts instead of nonsense that can easily be proven wrong.

3) What huge load are you talking about. When SB got released I was in game in few minutes with no issues at all. There's been no emergency mainteneces and so on. They failed with that instanced msq which was gating you from rest of the content. As I already said multiple times, they know it was a wrong decision and will for sure learn from it. Will you rant about it till the end of the world now ? It's past already, we can now have just some bad memories and that's it. Do you have similiar issues now ? I don't think so.

I see very little reasons at this point, to continue this conversation. You hate SE greediness, yet buy CE edition of their games. You claim it's boring, yet you're here on forums instead of playing games that are not boring. I really get that game has issues. I really do. I always spoke about them outloud. I cannot support anyone though, who say that they don't give a damn and that this game isn't getting better.

Why i stay on FFXIV? same reason i stay on WoW, i love both game. Not everything is perfect/bad.
The matter i have with what you say, is you speak about only the good side of what yoshida did. i can say anything else he did good, you maybe forgot it Veteran reward for 360 days, it was cheap, really... 2 things as other reward, and one was 50 etheral teleport shit... He did a simple change : adding 2 other stuff in the rewards. Magic evryone happy.

To be honest, the way the game is going... i will probably not buy 5.0...
If you want to stay with your pink glasses, ok for you. But, try to understand what people says when they rage against FFXIV/SE/Yoshida. Raging people are not salty stupid people. They are for some young and old players, even legacy players. FFXI player, legacy AND FFXI player, they played wow, GW2 and other, for some from the begining. Many people here left WoW for FFXIV because of decision from WoW like... cash shop?
People are in fire most of time because what happened is ONE THING after OTHERS... And in the end, one thing + other things = too much things.

Now you're finally being reasonable. First of all. Yoshida is not the only one responbile for this game alright ? Last time I checked, it's plenty of people responsible for designing content and they discuss imporatnt matters together. Thing is, you don't know me. I'm sure I play this game much more than you. I'm hardcore raider. My playtime is as impressive as it is embarassing. As a result of playing as much as I do, I totally see flaws in the game. It's not the case that FFXIV is perfect because it isn't. No game is. Hell, even my favourite rpg of all times - Witcher 3 - while being an AMAZING game, still has plenty of flaws up to this day. Based on what exactly you say that I look at the game wearing 'pink glasses' ? I think HW initially was a disaster. I was disappointed in initial SB difficulty. Diadem and LOV failed, feast could be way bettter. Housing in this game IS bad. There's no glamour log like in Guild Wars 2. I could go on. Problem is - you accuse me of looking only at the game positives, while you do exactly the opposite and focus on things that are bad while completely ignoring improvements that have made this game much much better than 2.X series.

I never said those who complain are salty stupid people. I complained myself few days ago. I personally believe that housing at the current state is just bad. I'd myself love to see implementation of 1 house per account restriction, way more wards and instanced housing. Saying it as some who has a house for 3 years now but was looking to relocate.

[Aerlana]

I'm sorry but why you claim that new player HAVE to buy something. That's complete nonsense. I myself never bought a single item, yet I'm still fine and alive. I don't really see how new players are FORCED to buy anything. Are you also forced to buy artbooks just because they give you some minions ? Seriously.

If they want the stuff, they have to buy it. Not because you or me was on the game when it was free those items should be considered as "false cash shop stuff" IT IS cash shop stuff.
And as i said... what about wedding? retainers? i didnt add them in my counts... and it is not favorable FFXIV to add them (even mor efor retainers that are sub... and many people HAVE TO get 1 or 2... they are not clearly forced, but the game, the way the game is done force them)


1) the housing seliing between player is not new... those 2 years without anything added was with a bunch of house that was trade this way.
In the past people didnt cry about "not enough house" because it was expensive. I have 2 accounts, 1 house on each. Each my character are activ, and i bought those 2 house for RP, (face to face, nothing around)
It did cost me 40M when they added annex, for S + M. And i remembered that already, people said "not enough house" i said "lets first buy them all, and SE will add more" ... i was right... partially... because for 2 years no adding, people waiting house. And some trading with small plot at 10M, or 20M (maybe sometime more?).
It is SE job to know, and... 720 house, 2120 => 2880 is clearly not enough, most people said it before the D Day... many BEFORE the patch, when yoshida shows Shirogane in fan fest. Saying "they wil ladd more ward everywhere", because they kew only 12 at shirogane would not be enough...
They fail, and more, they KNEW they would fail. If they didnt knew this... just there is a bigger problem : THEY are UNABLE to do what they are paid for.

2) 13 days after matters begins 2 weeks... not 1 or 2 days and in worst case 1 week from other release i saw... AND when they did this, we had 3 days where DF were full. ok, not 2374h waiting, but, my heal, my blm or my tank had at least 10 min (and spike to 30min!) to wait. And what about ixion (you know, everyone in the same area so some people blocked to go in)? ALL THOSE are the congestion release matter. As raubahn Xtrem that is just scandalous...

3)Raubahn Xtrem? DF congestion? logging queue? and recently... 4.1?

This problem was only made worse by the increased stress on the servers from players rushing to log in after the end of maintenance. As a result, the system implemented to prevent players from abusing the relocation feature failed to function properly, preventing some players from relocating altogether.

Yoshida Clearly says there that the rush of players was too much for their servers.
We dont speak about the release of a game, just a patch. MANY people couldnt log in. (sleeping to go work early... or at work! for example, and for some, dont care about housing)
Everyone here knew many people would log in the second the servers open. All were ready to be the first and NOT have the queue...
I dont even blame the queue form 4.1 but clearly THIS matter he speaks about, the fact this rush stressed too much their server.
Again, it is Yoshida and his team's work to know this. and act the way it doesnt happens.
1 time some times ok... not each time a such situation happens... ARR, HW, SB, 4.1 ...


I didnt buy CE edition, i asked they add a collector without the fig, and does the collector we had a "limited edition"

I am here on forum because i have my reason to love this game. Critic is not hating. I hate SE, not the game.
AND because i really like this game, i hope the best for FFXIV i am here, speaking. Hoping (because i am stupid) one time, Yoshida and SE will here, stop the crazy mogmoney, and REALLY hear people on ALL subject, not only those they want to hear. And they ACT to prove they hear people...

When i will left the game and forum, it will be when i think the game cant go better.

If you cant admit we can spit on decisions for a game, and loving a game at the same time, i think, you should think about it for a time. A game is not just "good or bad"
Sopme games are "bad" with good things (FFXIV v1!) and some games can be good with bad things (This FFXIV)
And when those thigns are really bad... lets say it.

[Imsoangry]

If they want the stuff, they have to buy it. Not because you or me was on the game when it was free those items should be considered as "false cash shop stuff" IT IS cash shop stuff.
And as i said... what about wedding? retainers? i didnt add them in my counts... and it is not favorable FFXIV to add them (even mor efor retainers that are sub... and many people HAVE TO get 1 or 2... they are not clearly forced, but the game, the way the game is done force them)


1) the housing seliing between player is not new... those 2 years without anything added was with a bunch of house that was trade this way.
In the past people didnt cry about "not enough house" because it was expensive. I have 2 accounts, 1 house on each. Each my character are activ, and i bought those 2 house for RP, (face to face, nothing around)
It did cost me 40M when they added annex, for S + M. And i remembered that already, people said "not enough house" i said "lets first buy them all, and SE will add more" ... i was right... partially... because for 2 years no adding, people waiting house. And some trading with small plot at 10M, or 20M (maybe sometime more?).
It is SE job to know, and... 720 house, 2120 => 2880 is clearly not enough, most people said it before the D Day... many BEFORE the patch, when yoshida shows Shirogane in fan fest. Saying "they wil ladd more ward everywhere", because they kew only 12 at shirogane would not be enough...
They fail, and more, they KNEW they would fail. If they didnt knew this... just there is a bigger problem : THEY are UNABLE to do what they are paid for.

2) 13 days after matters begins 2 weeks... not 1 or 2 days and in worst case 1 week from other release i saw... AND when they did this, we had 3 days where DF were full. ok, not 2374h waiting, but, my heal, my blm or my tank had at least 10 min (and spike to 30min!) to wait. And what about ixion (you know, everyone in the same area so some people blocked to go in)? ALL THOSE are the congestion release matter. As raubahn Xtrem that is just scandalous...

3)Raubahn Xtrem? DF congestion? logging queue? and recently... 4.1?


Yoshida Clearly says there that the rush of players was too much for their servers.
We dont speak about the release of a game, just a patch. MANY people couldnt log in. (sleeping to go work early... or at work! for example, and for some, dont care about housing)
Everyone here knew many people would log in the second the servers open. All were ready to be the first and NOT have the queue...
I dont even blame the queue form 4.1 but clearly THIS matter he speaks about, the fact this rush stressed too much their server.
Again, it is Yoshida and his team's work to know this. and act the way it doesnt happens.
1 time some times ok... not each time a such situation happens... ARR, HW, SB, 4.1 ...


I didnt buy CE edition, i asked they add a collector without the fig, and does the collector we had a "limited edition"

I am here on forum because i have my reason to love this game. Critic is not hating. I hate SE, not the game.
AND because i really like this game, i hope the best for FFXIV i am here, speaking. Hoping (because i am stupid) one time, Yoshida and SE will here, stop the crazy mogmoney, and REALLY hear people on ALL subject, not only those they want to hear. And they ACT to prove they hear people...

When i will left the game and forum, it will be when i think the game cant go better.

If you cant admit we can spit on decisions for a game, and loving a game at the same time, i think, you should think about it for a time. A game is not just "good or bad"
Sopme games are "bad" with good things (FFXIV v1!) and some games can be good with bad things (This FFXIV)
And when those thigns are really bad... lets say it.

Seasonal items wouldn't even been in the game if it wasn't tons of people on forum asking for them. Idea was they remain exclusive to those who managed to get them during certain period of time. Due to people demand to allow to get them again, they added them to the cash shop. I somehow don't see threads where new players complain that they can't get stuff from 3 years ago seasonal events without paying for them. I've yet to see massive complaints about that. As for rest of it, I don't really get why u so mad. You clearly don't even collect ingame mounts and minions so why does it bother you so much is just beyond me.

1) They prolly knew it's not enough, but I still think they were not fully anticipating so many players interested in it. Then again, new wards and solutions coming in by 3.2. They clearly know that situation cannot be like this no more. This thread alone got 100k view in a day. It's clear that a lot of people are upset. We'll see what they come up. Until then, I see 0 reason in ranting.

2. As someone who was playing a lot and raiding nearly every single day, this issue affected my group only during 2 evenings. As far as I recall, part of the issue was also SE being DDoS'ed since the game launched. Again, you completely ignore that HW release was smooth as baby butt. They clearly are capable of doing it. They've made bad decisions this time around though but I already said what exactly went wrong. If we had no instance msq at the start and system that auto-kicks in 30 minute of inactivity, you wouldn't be seeing these issues. As for ixion, honestly - SE is a company and when they can avoid spending money - they will. There has never been a case when similiar stuff happened in this game, and for this reason, there has never been an incentive to improve infrastructure (and spending extra money on it) so it could handle more people in one zone. Even S ranks spawning, never gather as many people as Ixion.

3. Will repeat one last time. Heavensward launch was flawless. Maybe because not only we had less players then, but also SE wasn't being DDoS'ed.

I never said being a critic means hating. I strongly belive though, that a good critic is reasonable and objective, and can point out both pros and cons. You fail to do that as you're focused mostly on flaws and things that went wrong while ignoring obvious improvements completely. Like they never happened. You know what ? Im gonna end this discussion here as like I said - I see very little reason to discuss with you specifically. Seems to be waste of time at this point. I really do see where're you're coming from. As I've said already I see many flaws with FFXIV currently. If you asked me wheter I prefer to go back to 2.0 or would I like to remain in 4.1, my answer would be obvious. Pretty much everything has improved since the game got released. Housing got slightly better but it still bad but I believe it'll get fixed eventually. You're free to believe it won't be - it's your call.

[MStowastiqVahlshdeh]

I hope SE is open and concise about what is and is not against TOS when it comes to housing. Just a glance at the shout convos that took place right before servers went offline for maintenance upon Shirogane's launch, would define just how confused the community is about what is against TOS vs not.

Now that there is a large amount of attention on the subject, it is a perfect opportunity to make the rules regarding housing, clear to the community so that everyone is on the same page and understands.

There are many ideas posted up about discouraging house flippers but if people knew clearly what is against TOS, perhaps that would reduce the amount of people willing to take the chance on house flipping as well as the big motivation for people doing it in the first place, the buyers.

Just a simple notice explaining what is okay vs not okay and what constitutes as an ideal housing transaction vs what is against TOS would go a long way towards helping the community understand what they are getting into before they purchase a house.

[Aerlana]

If we had no instance msq at the start and system that auto-kicks in 30 minute of inactivity, you wouldn't be seeing these issues.

If there is no fire around you, you wont burn yourself.
This is exactly what you just said... ... ... Is that all you have?

1) Their work
2 years earlier, there already was people saying "not enough house"
ANYONE could know those 12 ward wouldnt be enough. Anyone except them. But it is their work.

2) We didnt have the same HW release. i rush, as i did for ARR (so wasnt lock with a quest during beta4 as some people) as i did in SB (avoiding me "pipin extreme" ) But just 1 example :
Congestion area. Western Coerthas and abalathia full. Why? because instance server (they already used for ARR) was not in place at release.
Many little things like this. Ok, not as scandalous as we had in ARR or SB, but clearly not a "smooth release"
BUT YES they did good work to correct all those. i never said anything against this
but WHY dont they learn? SB is 3rd time... will be again stupid issues in 5.0? the speaking pnj trick to avoid force logout will finally be fix after 6 years?

3) Better launch than SB but... not "good" and with some "congestion" and "stress server" issue they say all time... 4 years now.


Have to understand, the matter is not that they never did anything good, didnt improve something. They are sometime fast, sometime strangely slow (3.0 content in PF not at the release? ...)

My problem is that those good acts are rare. Some "sorry" from yoshida in many way he already did some many, but not all had act.


Housing is a 4 year matter. It explode now why?
1) during 2 years, housing was too expensive. No need to have 1 house per player if only a small part get the money to buy one. A difference between players that is, in many mind, logic.
2) 2 years with not enough housing for everyone, BUT the hope to have new wards on each next patch (during ARR they added plots many time) and nothing.
3) 6 month teasing from the fan fest to today. 3rd feature in importance if you see the web page for 4.1. And people thinking that housing must finally, after 4 years be "for all"

=> people can be patient, when they love. I was patient, for housing... but not only. One time come where enough is enough...


I wont trust Yoshida after all sorry with no act, and all his lies... he never lied? my sign got one
It became a lie because he never speaked about the change of his mind. (and even say "you didnt understand what i said" ... )


to finish "Housing got slightly better but it still bad but I believe it'll get fixed eventually."
Houses were never all bought so fast... i dont think "better" but "worst"


I dont believe anything. i just dont trust what Yoshida says. I have no thought about what we will have in 4.2. More ward? Enough wards? Instance? limit to 1 house per account/server? Condos?
I dont believe their speaking anymore, i only belive acts