In Regard to Housing in Patch 4.1

[Saraphin]

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They changed the prices so that they were the same across all servers. upping the prices would put servers that were at lower Price "ranges" prior to the standardization of housing prices at a disadvantage. You have to understand that they streamlined the prices on servers/data centers quite awhile ago and it was met with positive reviews from players. they won't change that. not with the current....issue with the housing.

[Jas710]

Anyone placing bets yet on Yoshi actually listening to your ideas? Seems like we've all done this song and dance before 4.1.

[Saraphin]

we can hope, there have been some good ones..and with the fact that the EU and JP communities have displayed 'displeasure' (i'm going with that...JP players are very polite about it, even when they're upset) with the current state of housing, i think something will...be adjusted...i'm just not sure *what* as of yet.

[Siniztor]

What gets me is people sayin take houses away from people who own them,..I do have multi houses but i bought them before this free transfer BS. Our server was small there was 200-400 empty houses for over a year that ive been here ... i payed $18 to move here just to have houses, wile some payed $18 to move to busy servers like balmug then took the free transfer and now are yelling foul. I broke no rules crafted my butt off to earn the money for each house and its deco. They are used weekly my wife and i split our time between each char. they have there own styles so one houses dosent fit my dark dragon or my female kitty..

There is a problem we need more wards period. but taken away from people who did not break any rules and work there butts off to own a couple houses when servers were dead is silly now that people got a free ride to low pop servers

[Rufalus]

There is a problem we need more wards period. but taken away from people who did not break any rules and work there butts off to own a couple houses when servers were dead is silly now that people got a free ride to low pop servers

That's awesome and you deserve the stuff you earned. I doubt they would ever take things away from people, unless maybe there was huge compensation for doing so, but still I doubt it. That's why it's also hard to see them locking housing to 1 per account, since it wouldn't be fair that some people already bought multi homes before the change but everyone else can't. Soo... it's a pickle to come up with a workable solution. Nothing is going to be perfect.

[Siniztor]

. Soo... it's a pickle to come up with a workable solution. Nothing is going to be perfect.

Id be fine if they change it to 1 per account from here on out. But they can't make it retro thats not fair to people who honestly worked hard for the houses they have when our servers were dead to the point hundreds of houses sat empty at rock bottom prices and no one wanted them lol As someone said just make it so people who own cant buy another.. but the greed of some to say take away from people who have them so now that i took a free ride can have one now..cause i can tell you the people who want houses on my server 99% of them are free transfers and maybe 1% might be someone who finally got to level cause for year + we had plenty for all

[Ashanto]

tl;dr: YoshiP and SE don't care about you, or your suggestions.

Everyone is naive. It amazes me, after reading through this thread, that people are actually thanking YoshiP ... for what? Saying the same sh**uff for the past 4 years? FFXIV has a well known history of botching releases, and the subsequent "fixes." Every time the player base comes out en masse, good ol' Yoshi hops on and spews some garbage about how they care, and are going to fix it. When has that ever actually happened?

To believe SE was ignorant of the results of 4.1's release, you have to suspend some pretty major disbelief. SE knew exactly what would happen with the release of 4.1. Believing otherwise is just stupid. Consider:

1. The Economy. There are 10 million subscribers across 65 servers. Assuming SE's efforts to ensure an even distribution of players, that's just north of 150k people per server. Only counting gil made from doing the Main Story Quest, every player should gain about 3 million gil (that's just SB btw). This alone amounts to 461+ billion gil per server. The total value of all 720 plots in Shirogane was 7.8 billion. Not even counting money players already had prior to SB, or players that didn't do MSQ, it should be quite obvious there was enough money floating around to buy up every plot on Shirogane many many times over.

2. The Servers. Whenever a flying f'ing f'up occurs, SE simply blames it on server load. They've done it more times that I can possibly count. Not even counting FF11, SE has 7 years experience running an MMO. And yet, can't seem to fix server congestion. After so many years, does anyone really believe they are unaware of their hardware limitations?

3. The Company. SE has released housing this way before. With similar results. To think this release was going to be any different is the very definition of insanity. I knew housing on my server was going to be gone in minutes. I stayed up all night, updated my client, watched the server status, and smashed the big green button the second it lit up. And got a lobby error. Next try: an SSL error. By the time I got in, I was in queue with 1800 other unlucky people. SE either has the dumbest programmers on the planet, or just don't care about connecting subscribers with their service. Which leads to:

4. The Players. After all the colossal f'ups, starting with 1.0, this game has continued to grow. To the point they offer a discount in their cash shop for idiots to buy sh*t at 30% off. Why? Because people DO. At the end of the day, SE and YoshiP don't give a flying f'ck about you, or me. It's lip service so you keep paying the subscription. It's US that pay their bills, and it's US that make this game possible in the first place. But nothing at all will happen as long as so many people think that travesty Yoshi posted signifies actual change.

SE is just going to bandage this sh*tstorm like always. And people are going to suck it up. It's already happening. Like always.

[AlthusRitoto]

You aren't fully wrong. Most of us are just holding grain of salt.

[Imsoangry]

tl;dr: YoshiP and SE don't care about you, or your suggestions.

Everyone is naive. It amazes me, after reading through this thread, that people are actually thanking YoshiP ... for what? Saying the same sh**uff for the past 4 years? FFXIV has a well known history of botching releases, and the subsequent "fixes." Every time the player base comes out en masse, good ol' Yoshi hops on and spews some garbage about how they care, and are going to fix it. When has that ever actually happened?

To believe SE was ignorant of the results of 4.1's release, you have to suspend some pretty major disbelief. SE knew exactly what would happen with the release of 4.1. Believing otherwise is just stupid. Consider:

1. The Economy. There are 10 million subscribers across 65 servers. Assuming SE's efforts to ensure an even distribution of players, that's just north of 150k people per server. Only counting gil made from doing the Main Story Quest, every player should gain about 3 million gil (that's just SB btw). This alone amounts to 461+ billion gil per server. The total value of all 720 plots in Shirogane was 7.8 billion. Not even counting money players already had prior to SB, or players that didn't do MSQ, it should be quite obvious there was enough money floating around to buy up every plot on Shirogane many many times over.

2. The Servers. Whenever a flying f'ing f'up occurs, SE simply blames it on server load. They've done it more times that I can possibly count. Not even counting FF11, SE has 7 years experience running an MMO. And yet, can't seem to fix server congestion. After so many years, does anyone really believe they are unaware of their hardware limitations?

3. The Company. SE has released housing this way before. With similar results. To think this release was going to be any different is the very definition of insanity. I knew housing on my server was going to be gone in minutes. I stayed up all night, updated my client, watched the server status, and smashed the big green button the second it lit up. And got a lobby error. Next try: an SSL error. By the time I got in, I was in queue with 1800 other unlucky people. SE either has the dumbest programmers on the planet, or just don't care about connecting subscribers with their service. Which leads to:

4. The Players. After all the colossal f'ups, starting with 1.0, this game has continued to grow. To the point they offer a discount in their cash shop for idiots to buy sh*t at 30% off. Why? Because people DO. At the end of the day, SE and YoshiP don't give a flying f'ck about you, or me. It's lip service so you keep paying the subscription. It's US that pay their bills, and it's US that make this game possible in the first place. But nothing at all will happen as long as so many people think that travesty Yoshi posted signifies actual change.

SE is just going to bandage this sh*tstorm like always. And people are going to suck it up. It's already happening. Like always.

I understand the rage, but it doesn't justify using false informations to back up your thoughts. First of all - it happened multiple times that they improved their stuff and listened to community. It's just wrong and unfair to claim that they never do. I'm not sure if you were around, but I remember ARR when we didn't even have a party finder. Almost every patch bring improvements to this game. Some big ones that come to my mind : token system for loot, cross world partyfinder and friends list, ultimate mode (coming next week), revitalising pvp (which was nearly dead back in a day), making raids more accessible for midcore groups, european datacenter, cooldowns reset, wondrous tails, improvements on timeworn maps, POTD as an alternative for leveling, Doubling the amount of futrnitures you can have. Many things that people diskliked were simply abandoned - red scrips capping, favours system, introducing more features to gold saucer. On top of that, add countless amount of quality of life changes people been asking for. Upon checking your lodestone, I don't think you've been here when ARR started. While SE does lots of things wrong, claiming they don't listen to community and that they never fix things is just false. Sure thing, sometimes they fail - look diadem or LoV. It's a natural process of every single game though. They experiment with stuff, and based on community reaction they adjust it accordingly. They officially apologised for patch 3.1 and mistakes they've made and guess what, since 3.2 this game has been getting better and better.

1) There is no 10 milions subscribers. There is 10 milion accounts made in the lifespan of this game. Actual active players number is not even 10% of that. As such, your entire math is just completely inaccurate and its pointless to discuss with it.

2) I've yet to see a company who'd handle server congestion flawlessly every single time. I played many other online games and I've honestly yet to see one smooth launch of a game/major patch outside of Heavensward which was nearly flawless. They messed it up with Stormblood and its famous Raubahn extreme. You can be sure though, that they did learn from this. I can bet money that similiar stuff won't happen when next expansion launches. As for major patches I somehow don't see a 'server congestion issues' that you're talking about. It was really bad when SB launched (remember 1 hour + queues ?) but they managed to fix that relatively quickly. I don't recall similiar situation since day 1 of ARR. There is way more active players now though. I'm somehow quite sure that they didn't fully expect so many players given how many active players Heavensward had.

3) Following your ridiculous logic, every ddos attack should be easily preventable right ? I mean, come on, internet has years of experience in handling it, yet it still happens somehow. I myself got pwned by the queue in the exactly the same way that you did. Yeah I hate it, but yelling at dev team and insulting their programmers is a childish approach and it brings you nowhere. I myself was bit surprised in how many people were suddenly interested in housing. I realise that shortages has always been a problem but it feels like community has never been as angry and vocal about lack of housing. Result is that Yoshida comes to announce new wards and some potential changes to how they're handled. I don't recall situation like this before. Sure, there were some angry folks here and there, but never on such a scale as right now.

4) That's a typical argument just for the sake of raging. I get it, I myself don't have a single mogstation item. I find some of their pricing to be a little off, but when you look at other mmos and gaming industry these days, it's like nothing. I highly recommend you to check other mmos cash shops. Focus specifically on biggest players on the market - WoW and GW2. Also check some "F2P" mmos where you often end up dumping twice as much. A lot of single player games have microtransactions. Countless DLC's on top of that and adding RNG mechanics in order to increase players addiction (Fifa FUT mode, countless "Loot boxes" in various games). Oh and how about that Assassin's Creed Origins Collector edition for 800 USD ? It's just wrong to blame SE for how majority of gaming industry looks these days.

Now, I don't claim that they will magically fix housing and in 4.2 everyone will be happy. I'm bit sceptical myself. They did manage to fix and improve many things in past though, and that's the reason why I'm trying to remain positive. Raging in a way you did won't make them improve nothing. Community that is vocal but also reasonable in it's feedback will.

[AlthusRitoto]

Majority of my friends want to be in same ward and decide on which houses to get. We also kind of want to buy multiple plots if possible and no, we don't want to house flip or sell or whatever you call it. We just want to roleplay and enjoy decorating while crafting together.

But that said, in order for this to ever happen would be purchaseable private ward or lucky to get into one of 200 wards.