SMN 4.1 patch notes

[Music4Therapy]

So considering everything? Yes, it's a good comparison. The Summoner had the bigger advantages. No deaths, Quicker Kill, Better team, More balance uptime.

You say the difference between 2 top players, a SMN and a BLM, was 350 dps eh? I wonder if Devotion (raidwide 2% buff with a 12.5% uptime) and Radiant Shield (2% phys damage buff that lasts potentially 24 seconds on a 60 sec CD) bridges that gap.

Raidwide DPS for SMN's group was 36.6k dps and there were 6 physical damage dealers, I'd be willing to bet that when you take into account the rDPS the SMN brings to the table it beats out the BLM in every/most scenario(s).

Also, now that you've compared the top SMN parse to the top BLM parse, lets look at the vast majority of average-great players: When you look at the top dps across all savage fights, SMN is #2 only behind SAM in personal dps from the 50%-99% range of players. This doesn't take into account Devotion, Radiant Shield, or Contagion.

[Neela]

Also, now that you've compared the top SMN parse to the top BLM parse, lets look at the vast majority of average-great players: When you look at the top dps across all savage fights, SMN is #2 only behind SAM in personal dps from the 50%-99% range of players. This doesn't take into account Devotion, Radiant Shield, or Contagion.

well you have to consider that top parses on both cls got a proportion of idk 1:10? maybe the best smn out performed the best blm but I bet there are still way more blms with high top tier parses than top tier smn parses even after 4.1.

[Ariomi]

Also, now that you've compared the top SMN parse to the top BLM parse, lets look at the vast majority of average-great players: When you look at the top dps across all savage fights, SMN is #2 only behind SAM in personal dps from the 50%-99% range of players. This doesn't take into account Devotion, Radiant Shield, or Contagion.

You also completely ignore how few Summoners there are that skew the ratio, when most classes can have upto 20,000 more parses. And
2% damage increase seems so small it's barely worth noting. If you have a group with 36000 dps, a 2% damage increase is 720 dps if you have it up for the whole fight. But at 32% uptime, it's only about 230 dps increase. So Still not enough to beat a blm. This may change with Devotion and radiant, But maybe not. However, this is made slightly smaller as Radiant shield is only physical. And if that's the argument you want to play, Guess Machinist beats Summoner then. 6% damage increase to all damage types, Not just physical or magical, and lasts 20 seconds. Same cooldown as devotion. But three times as powerful and lasts a longer length of time. Hyper charge is a 367 dps increase via all damage using the same math.

https://www.fflogs.com/statistics/17#boss=46&dataset=99

[Music4Therapy]

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Without a doubt MCH beats out SMN, but we're comparing casters I thought? And SMN reigns supreme now, RDM is leagues away and you'd need a really good BLM if you're going to consider taking one over a SMN considering most current SMNs outdamage most BLMs in personal DPS alone, and at the highest level of play even though the BLM may potentially outdamage the SMN, the rDPS the SMN provides puts it over the top now.

MCH+BRD+DRG will p much remain the meta until they do something about the pierce debuff. NIN, MCH, and BRD have the best raid dps increases in the game DRG basically gives MCH and BRD a 100% uptime ~4% damage buff with the piercing debuff which alone is a massive rDPS increase... thats not even including the DPS increase via their utility. Something significant is going to need to happen in order for those 4 classes to no longer be considered "meta", aside from using RDMs in progression due to rez-spam.

[Ariomi]

Without a doubt MCH beats out SMN, but we're comparing casters I thought? And SMN reigns supreme now, RDM is leagues away and you'd need a really good BLM if you're going to consider taking one over a SMN considering most current SMNs outdamage most BLMs in personal DPS alone, and at the highest level of play even though the BLM may potentially outdamage the SMN, the rDPS the SMN provides puts it over the top now.

The supreme caster right now on FF logs is Blm. By about 130 dps adding radiant shield/contagion. Until we see how the ruin 3 nerfs, and devotion change Smn. My guess? The ruin 3's lower potency will roughly even it out.

[Music4Therapy]

The supreme caster right now on FF logs is Blm. By about 130 dps adding radiant shield/contagion. Until we see how the ruin 3 nerfs, and devotion change Smn. My guess? The ruin 3's lower potency will roughly even it out.

We'll see. BLM only overtakes SMN at the top 1% though in personal dps. From 50-99% SMN is ahead of BLM. I will say that if there is a fight with minimal movement and the BLM is able to turret the whole time and perhaps gets lucky with procs it'd win out.

I do think saying BLM outdamages SMN is similar to saying SAM outdamages NIN, and while that may be true from a personal standpoint trick attack puts NIN ahead typically, considering all skill levels are equal.

[Karshan]

If you have a group with 36000 dps, a 2% damage increase is 720 dps if you have it up for the whole fight. But at 32% uptime, it's only about 230 dps increase.

Not quite, isn't devotion's coolown 120 seconds ? Max Uptime is 15/120 = 12.5%, so it's 90 DPS increase in raid form for SMN, with 36 000 group DPS (btw a 36 000 raid group DPS means tanks at 4k each, heals at 2k, DDs at 6k each, not quite your everyday expert roulette group is it ? So what's 100 points inside that kind of numbers ? Ok at that level it means several ranks, but...)

Based on that I agree with your message though, non SMNs complaining about devotion are welcome to take a breath.
+ now it seems radiant shield already is taken on SMN's account by fflogs, since a recent patch. Or was I misstold ?

[Ariomi]

Based on that I agree with your message though, non SMNs complaining about devotion are welcome to take a breath.
+ now it seems radiant shield already is taken on SMN's account by fflogs, since a recent patch. Or was I misstold ?

Just an fyi, The 32% uptime was radiant shield. This math was based radiant shield, not devotion. I didn't see any parses where I could compare the new devotion with it's uptime.