Thread: SMN 4.1 patch notes

Originally Posted by KarstenS

Never look at the top numbers. That are all try hard pushes where the entire group is focussing to push one member.

These give a better point of view.

Yea, hate to break it to you. No they Don't. Looking at max shows us the highest a class can perform overall. Your complete argument is invalid as the top Summoner parse is exactly that. 98% balance uptime.This Summoner is a tryhard pushing numbers, and still 300 dps lower then a large number of Monks and Blms. Then take in consideration that the Summoner's group is mostly all high tier players with orange dps and the SMN still haven't topped 6k dps. https://www.fflogs.com/reports/MjYr3...pe=damage-done

100th percentile Smn parse with 98% balance uptime. Group had 36k dps overall. Then the top Blm Parse.
https://www.fflogs.com/reports/48WPj...pe=damage-done
Blm has the same team comp mostly, except he's the only player with a notable parse. He even had a death in his run, lowering dps and making the fight longer. More then likely, if his group had 36k dps overall (only 8k dps higher as a group) his dps would have been even higher. Looking at his parse, it's night and day. Smn's group kills boss one minute 26 seconds faster.

So a Smn with a full orange group of orange dps (except that one guy...) that kills a boss 1:26 seconds faster, loses to a Blm's dps and his group that doesn't have a single orange parse (other then the blm.) In other words, The Blm had to sustain his larger dps for longer, and even with more then a minute, he kept his dps 350+ higher then the Smn, and with about half the balance uptime.

Sooo. Basically you are saying that even thou the Summoner had a much better group, had higher balance uptime, a faster kill time, no deaths in their parse, and lost to blm, that it doesn't mean anything. And you're just wrong.

Looking at generalized performance of players means nothing until you actually compare parse for parse. Until the day where a Summoner beats 6.3k dps, the whole, play Summoner to perfection it's top dps shtick just doesn't float.

Originally Posted by Ariomi

hi, i am an idiot that can't read basic math hehe.

https://www.fflogs.com/reports/MjYr3...bility=1000829

uh, remind me how 35% of 5% AOE balance is better than 46% of 15% single target balance again?

Originally Posted by Ariomi

SMN vs BLM

One is a speed run parse, the other is a dedicated padding parse.

The BLM got every dmg buff, including single Balance, Contagion from Garuda, Dragon Sight,.....while the SMN only got AoE raid buff.

Not a good comparison if you asked me.

One that note thou, SMN dps IS LOWER than BLM on paper. The only time SMN would pull ahead is when there is a lot of movement involved. So on a cherry-picked parse of utmost possible padding/catering, there is no surprised that SMN is lower than BLM. The percentile graph is pretty inaccurate too given there are much more BLM's parses than SMN's parses. The top 100 BLM might be the 99% percentile while the top 10 SMN is 99%.....

In general, I would say SMN and BLM are pretty close. SMN might be better for speed-run thou.

The way 70 SMN plays, almost none of the changes fix its issues. Your general rotation will still be ruin 3 > ruin 2 > ogcd repeat. At the very least, now you won't run out of mp. Ruin 3 being insta in Dreadwyrm effectively does almost nothing since you won't be using ogcds in DWT most of the time, but it will at least prevent you from losing a R3 in DWT from AOEs or mechanics. Ruin 4 being instant only helps the need ro swiffcast it if you got a proc during baha phase so you wouldn't lose a Wyrm wave...which I didn't do anyway bc screw that noise xD


At least Aoe will feel significantly less awful.

Originally Posted by RLofOBFL

Ruin 3 being insta in Dreadwyrm effectively does almost nothing

except make you more mobile than a RDM for 16 seconds every minute.

I find it hilarious that the proposed fixes address literally none of the issues that the class actually has, that is, the annoying timing during bahamut and requirement to use role pool addle, the finicky timing/nature of tri-disaster during DWT, and the counterintiutive nature of the pet abilities and how they interact with ruin IV procs, but hey!