Black Mage

[Kabooa]

>Black Mages and other raw DPS classes can mean the difference between hitting enrage or beating the boss, and the laughable attempt to downplay this and call BLM's role as a pure DPS as "bad" is somewhat foolish.

Other way around, you're absolutely wrong. There's a reason why the fastest clears all have the same comp. And that composition doesn't include a blm or sam, at all.

Personal DPS is not equal to raid DPS contribution.

He also cherry picked the 'Max' section. As in, the "Got lucky on procs and crits" section with the "entire raid catered to me" section.

And even in -that- section, there's a Ninja sitting like 100 DPS under despite bringing some of the most important tools to speed running (Threat and Trick Attack)

[TsuKoj]

He also cherry picked the 'Max' section. As in, the "Got lucky on procs and crits" section with the "entire raid catered to me" section.

And even in -that- section, there's a Ninja sitting like 100 DPS under despite bringing some of the most important tools to speed running (Threat and Trick Attack)

Just ignore that guy, he's using a mix of verity + nq crafted gear. I'm sure blm is fine for him if all he is doing is expert roulette, and dont even care enough to get hq crafted gear.

[EllieShadeflare]

https://www.fflogs.com/character/id/98584

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Because my static doesn't release parses. Not an argument.

Why? You may be surprised to hear this, but. Not everyone uses parsers. Shocking, I know. Not to mention, I'm pretty sure there's something in the ToS about using parses to attack people?

Also, numbers can be fudged.

Just ignore that guy, he's using a mix of verity + nq crafted gear. I'm sure blm is fine for him if all he is doing is expert roulette, and dont even care enough to get hq crafted gear.

"NQ" Crafted Gear.



Clearly Normal Quality and mostly Verity.



Totally normal quality! I'm such a baaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaad DPS! It's not like the accuser is dishonest at all, guys!

And yes, I do have verity gear. The gloves, because I am saving for the Genji Gloves for cast speed. The bracelet, however has no real excuse beyond laziness and slight boredom regarding FFXIV. Hell, I even overmelded my weapon to make up the difference for now.

As for "cherry picking", certainly you can make the argument that's the case, if the information didn't stay consistent in the regard of BLM generally being in the top 4 in terms of damage.

https://www.fflogs.com/statistics/17#dataset=99

https://www.fflogs.com/statistics/17#dataset=95

https://www.fflogs.com/statistics/17#dataset=80

https://www.fflogs.com/statistics/17#

How low do you want to go? I mean, seriously, how low do you want to go? The information remains pretty consistent even into the 75%, where BLM is shown to be in the top 4. Beating it are Monks (who have always had high damage), Summoner (which has a pretty damn high skill ceiling to compliment its high skill floor) and Samurai.

But again, the numbers also don't lie. The argument that "personal" DPS doesn't matter as much as "contribution" is worthless, considering all those comps still rely on somewhat hard hitting DPSes being given higher damage through support.

That said, BLM could use a boost in its damage, to bring it closer to the contributions that Samurai brings and to make up for the clunkiness that Black Mage has always been used to.

[Kabooa]

But again, the numbers also don't lie. The argument that "personal" DPS doesn't matter as much as "contribution" is worthless, considering all those comps still rely on somewhat hard hitting DPSes being given higher damage through support.

All you have to do is factor the RDPS contribution from each of those jobs, and they'd easily be pushing Black Mage down into the 7, 8, or even 9th place.

The issue with just linking the bar graphs, especially the 'overall' bar graph is that you're subject to information without context. Two encounters in particular skew the 'overall' picture, Catastrophe (which favors ranged) and Halicarnassus (Where black mages scumbag with AOE).

Yes. It's Scumbag AOE, because the LB3 basically eliminates the ninjas sans 5%, so any damage dealt to them exceeding that threshold is done solely for the parse. It can be as little as none (if the Black Mage is the LB) to as much as +400-450 to the final tally of a Halicarnassus run. All of which is effectively meaningless damage, fun as it may be to spam Fouls, Thunderclouds, and flares.

Ranking is meaningless when the difference between them is not only made up by party buffs, but eclipses them as well. Sure, Black mage might fight for top 4 in some fights. But why would you want to bring that when it just amounts to, maybe, 200 more DPS that is more than made up for with say, a Machinist. It's not only comparable damage in the end, but additional MP (which itself can translate to more damage via Bards and Foe, healers basically being able to ignore MP management, Paladins and Holy Spirit).

[TsuKoj]

Yes any job can do well in ffxiv, but for some people fine isn't good enough, each class should have a distinct identity and be competitive. Right now blm is neither. They lost their identity as the biggest single hit damage to sam. They were never the best greedy dps, always behind mnk before, now behind sam. They have no identifying utility like trick, foes etc. And now smn is sneaking up on the highest damage mage identity while having radiant shield, contagion, devotion, and raise it causes people to be upset.

Casters are already in a bad spot and being the worst caster of the 3 options makes it even worse. Fact is in prog most groups since heavensward were already saying they only bring a caster in case there's a magic only mechanic shows how bad casters have been for a long time now.

All that and guess what, blm is reliant on people to play around them, craft strategies around them, reliant on others to buff for them. Blm are the poster boy for "healers adjust". And why would people choose to do that extra work when the class brings negligible extra damage, zero raid benefits, have anti-synergy with many openers due to a lack of a true burst phase, and have anti-progression due to the extra difficulty of learning new fights.

[TsuKoj]

Because my static doesn't release parses. Not an argument.

Why? You may be surprised to hear this, but. Not everyone uses parsers. Shocking, I know. Not to mention, I'm pretty sure there's something in the ToS about using parses to attack people?

Also, numbers can be fudged.



"NQ" Crafted Gear.



Clearly Normal Quality and mostly Verity.



Totally normal quality! I'm such a baaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaad DPS! It's not like the accuser is dishonest at all, guys!

And yes, I do have verity gear. The gloves, because I am saving for the Genji Gloves for cast speed. The bracelet, however has no real excuse beyond laziness and slight boredom regarding FFXIV. Hell, I even overmelded my weapon to make up the difference for now.

As for "cherry picking", certainly you can make the argument that's the case, if the information didn't stay consistent in the regard of BLM generally being in the top 4 in terms of damage.

https://www.fflogs.com/statistics/17#dataset=99

https://www.fflogs.com/statistics/17#dataset=95

https://www.fflogs.com/statistics/17#dataset=80

https://www.fflogs.com/statistics/17#

How low do you want to go? I mean, seriously, how low do you want to go? The information remains pretty consistent even into the 75%, where BLM is shown to be in the top 4. Beating it are Monks (who have always had high damage), Summoner (which has a pretty damn high skill ceiling to compliment its high skill floor) and Samurai.

But again, the numbers also don't lie. The argument that "personal" DPS doesn't matter as much as "contribution" is worthless, considering all those comps still rely on somewhat hard hitting DPSes being given higher damage through support.

That said, BLM could use a boost in its damage, to bring it closer to the contributions that Samurai brings and to make up for the clunkiness that Black Mage has always been used to.

You say your static doesn't release parses and link your screenshot of your gear as if though wearing 330 creation gear(expert roulette) is some sort of achievement? The only 340 piece you have is the genji belt. Your waiting on your genji gloves so assuming that's true, you've beaten o2s? Your not even using a 340 weapon, so looking at those facts you've beaten o1s? Congrats I guess... maybe o2s? We are talking about being competitive on an optimized level, about securing a spot in raids that isn't the easiest(only creator might've been easier) raid that we are likely to get.