4.1 - The emptiest patch yet.

[Zojha]

Even if I did, there was still more compelling content in two expansions than there is here.

Honestly, even if they went out of their way to make new and compelling content, it would die quickly because the rewards become obsolete.

You simply gain rewards too quickly in FFXIV to make things last. And because of that, you regularly need new rewards to trump the old ones. The progression model doesn't matter if the rate of progress is rapid.

That aside, in HW, they did try to make "new" types of content - PotD and Diadem. The prior is relegated to a leveling tool now that Aetherpool and Kinna weapons are old, the latter died twice, both times after the rewards got old. They're probably cooking up more, but it won't matter because 6 months after it gets released, it'll be dead.

[Elkanah]

That aside, in HW, they did try to make "new" types of content - PotD and Diadem. The prior is relegated to a leveling tool now that Aetherpool and Kinna weapons are old, the latter died twice, both times after the rewards got old. They're probably cooking up more, but it won't matter because 6 months after it gets released, it'll be dead.

The issue in your argument is that the reward did not meet the expectation of the current already available ilvl.

Kinna weapons released when we had 260 shire gear already.
Similarly Padji weapons were not of the best ilvl for the current raid tier and/or content for tomes. They were also below it. In this case, 24 main raid content, not tome gear ilvl or equivalent. Made the crafting weapons much better HQ.
Allagan Tomestone of Scripture was introduced in patch 3.4.
Floor 51-100 for Kinna weapons and upgrades released 3.5.
By them they were worse than what you could have already had in a few weeks, or primals and crafted gear.

The problem with Diadem was that the gear drop rate was abysmal with rng stats, and also not of the same ilvl up to the current tomes progression gear. Also, it was a FATE system implemented. Had they changed it to something like a zone where you fight new notorious monsters that took an equal amount of effort to kill from tons of parties, similar to Ixion pre nerf, it may have been a different story. But fates is what deterred people from wanting to play it. As that's all it really was. Nobody likes fates. Leveling, I suppose. Rewards? Not really. Although the only ones I say I will defend is the Ixion fate and the Fox fate, as I loved those rewards. But outside of that, I do everything I can to never do fates again after ixion unless something better comes out. :l

Look I understand your point of wanting some changes, But changing things up is never an easy thing especially if it over night, just look to the class changes every damn expansion, ppl freaks out for literally nothing sometimes.
The other problem is that cooking up something meaningful now it's very hard and as other have said the mentality in gaming atm is get everything now or bust and I too would like for it to be changed but that's not something that neither I nor SE can fix

That's kind of the point of the patches. Brainstorming. Devs could also use those months and/or have some off devs or interns checking on a series of other game titles and bringing those ideas they find good or best. Now we'll be seeing less of the same stuff we're getting. Oh! But we're getting PVP stuff! But just like the feast before, now and later, it will be ignored for cheaters, and also by means of win trading. So there's that.

[Gravton]

The problem with Diadem was that the gear drop rate was abysmal with rng stats, and also not of the same ilvl up to the current tomes progression gear. Also, it was a FATE system implemented. Had they changed it to something like a zone where you fight new notorious monsters that took an equal amount of effort to kill from tons of parties, similar to Ixion pre nerf, it may have been a different story. But fates is what deterred people from wanting to play it. As that's all it really was.

This right here. People ask "where's your suggestion?" The community told the devs for YEARS that we don't like fates. Their new "innovation" was....fates. Developers say we are to critical, it's because they keep pushing crap we already told them wasn't working.

[Remedi]

This right here. People ask "where's your suggestion?" The community told the devs for YEARS that we don't like fates. Their new "innovation" was....fates. Developers say we are to critical, it's because they keep pushing crap we already told them wasn't working.

No offense but even this argument that FATE are crap is getting really dull, they are not even a great part of the game and only serve as experience option and giving some sort of life in the world so I don't really understand the hate ppl have for them execpt for the sporadic events which let's be honest are not so frequent


I still think however that what really ppl should nag SE on is the fact that it's the second time they cut a dungeon for not really that much tbh, I know dungeons aren't that interesting for some but they gave us a reason and we are hardly even on that

(granted the ultimate fight probably will be more interesting than that dungeon)