4.1 - The emptiest patch yet.

[Lazaruz]

I'll come right out and say it. Ya'll are reaching, and hard, if you think it's a fair comparison to say 4.1 having less content then 2.1 is some kind of mark that it's getting worse by each patch.

2.1 was filled to burst with content because in all likelyhood some, or even most, was stuff that did not make it into the game in time for release (meaning it might've very well been in development even prior to ARR's launch), and you can only add brand new functions to the game to a certain point, as the more you add, the more cluttered and confusing it becomes to the user, and the bigger the game grows the harder it becomes to perform basic tasks like bug testing and fixing.

So lies from the developers are fine as long as they are from 4 years ago? Cool.

No idea where you're getting the idea that developers are for some reason not allowed to re-evaluate their stance, atleast when it comes to MMO's, which are games arguably under constant development and changes. Sometimes in such a manner where it's impossible to maintain that one idealistic view the developers had at one point

It's not like they just instantly flipped around and implemented the demolition timer. It took them years, and alot of that time was with players pressuring them quite heavily to do something, anything, about the lack of housing plots.

Adding more wards isnt gonna solve anything in the long run, since for most servers each ward cant even support a sliver of the total population, especially considering FC Housing aswell. Retooling the system to instanced housing would be a immense ammount of work, highly liable to failure and/or bugs with the established houses. But what you CAN do to atleast get some positive effect going, is regularly remove the plots of people who no longer play, and put them back in the market. And it works as a incentive for players to stay subscribed. So it's a win-win for SE.

I have enough faith to believe that they saw a demolition timer as the most sensible option to keep some fluidity going on the plots, not horrificly overload their servers, and to appease the people crying for a solution to the housing shortage atleast untill the devs maybe manages to figure out a way to transition the housing into instanced, without a massive ammount of bugs and/or glitches (or players loosing items)

That some are still holding on to one single statement from 4 years ago only makes you seem as if you're trying to "get them" for doing something you disagree with. Instead of being a responsible consumer, and no longer supporting the product financially

[Elvin]

2.1 was filled to burst with content because in all likelyhood some, or even most, was stuff that did not make it into the game in time for release (meaning it might've very well been in development even prior to ARR's launch), and you can only add brand new functions to the game to a certain point, as the more you add, the more cluttered and confusing it becomes to the user, and the bigger the game grows the harder it becomes to perform basic tasks like bug testing and fixing.

2.1 probably included things that coudn't make in to the game in time.

4.1 probably includes some QoL changes that coudn't make in to the expansion in time. It was going to include other things, like Eureka, that coudn't make in to the expansion in time, but in the end, there's even no time for that.

And yeah, honestly I don't want new functions, but I would like to have at least 2-3 primals per patch.

[Nestama]

2.1 probably included things that coudn't make in to the game in time.

I vaguely recall that the first tier of the Crystal Tower raid was apparently supposed to be in ARR's release, but they had to delay it into 2.1 (which also got delayed because of it, I think).

And now I just remembered the incredibly pointless quests leading up to unlocking the raid itself... good lord, thank goodness SE has never done that again.

[Remedi]

2.1 probably included things that coudn't make in to the game in time.

4.1 probably includes some QoL changes that coudn't make in to the expansion in time. It was going to include other things, like Eureka, that coudn't make in to the expansion in time, but in the end, there's even no time for that.

And yeah, honestly I don't want new functions, but I would like to have at least 2-3 primals per patch.

Eureka was never meant to be 4.0 content, most of the UI changes weren't either they were developed on playerbase request

[Moonlite]

I have enough faith to believe that they saw a demolition timer as the most sensible option to keep some fluidity going on the plots, not horrificly overload their servers, and to appease the people crying for a solution to the housing shortage atleast untill the devs maybe manages to figure out a way to transition the housing into instanced, without a massive ammount of bugs and/or glitches (or players loosing items)

But they are not going forward with any plan to fix the system. 4.1 new ward same as old wards same system same issue. Just more time spent on it. Should just be a sticky on front page "We can't provide housing to all our player base, the end. Live with it." I would be strongly surprised and might even consider a resub if they actually provided an equal opportunity system to every player on every server. It would show that this team can admit they made a mistake and fix it and not blame 1.0 or accounting.

[Valinis]

It's not like they just instantly flipped around and implemented the demolition timer. It took them years, and alot of that time was with players pressuring them quite heavily to do something, anything, about the lack of housing plots.

Stop defending them. This is the reason housing is still broken in the first place. They continue to band-aid problems because people like you will sit there and defend their actions instead of speaking out. Auto-demolish was never going to be the solution and never will be.

[Lazaruz]

Stop defending them. This is the reason housing is still broken in the first place. They continue to band-aid problems because people like you will sit there and defend their actions instead of speaking out. Auto-demolish was never going to be the solution and never will be.

Cute. So the only argument you have is to deliberately twist and bend my words

I'm not saying it's a permanent solution. God knows I still take issue with the fact that FC housing and player housing has to compete with each other, and it's not exactly hard to notice that plots arent being freed up regularly enough for it to count as a permanent solution.

What I am saying is it's the best avaliable temporary solution for them without having to gutt the content for several patches forward so they can focus development on transitioning the housing system, and all avaliable houses at the moment, into a instanced format. (And that's also not counting the possible server load) And if people take this much issue with not getting, I can only assume, a new savage mode, or Eureka, I seriously dont wanna see the crying from having to wait months and months and months, and all you're getting, is a revamped housing system.

But since you went there. I dont care about the housing and I dare say the same applies to everyone else who doesnt join your little "crusade" (or atleast they dont care enough). On a player level, its 100% vanity, as it provides absolutely nothing that isnt already there in some form, so I'm not gonna work myself up into some kind of bloodrage over the development team having to include a auto demolition to ensure people cant just clogg the system by buying plots, and quitting. (And before you bring it up. Only reason I want my own is it's a fun thing to have, but if other people get them first then I dont see why I should bother throwing a tantrum. I can still enjoy litterally everything else about the game)

There's still alot I want them to do with it. Most notably prevent people from owning more then 1 plot at a time. But unlike people like you, I care about everything else first. I dont want the game to stagnate just because they promised a little more then they should've that one time because they were being conservative with how much the game could grow (and god knows back on ARR they were probably still wary of the idea that the relaunch might not even work in the long run. That the game would be going down again, and this time likely permanently)

But that's fine. Twist and break my words more why dont you. I guess it's the only way you can support your vindictive attitude instead of doing the sensible thing and quitting the game

[Valinis]

Cute. So the only argument you have is to deliberately twist and bend my words

I'm not saying it's a permanent solution. God knows I still take issue with the fact that FC housing and player housing has to compete with each other, and it's not exactly hard to notice that plots arent being freed up regularly enough for it to count as a permanent solution.

What I am saying is it's the best avaliable temporary solution for them without having to gutt the content for several patches forward so they can focus development on transitioning the housing system, and all avaliable houses at the moment, into a instanced format.

Except, you know, the fact they are never planning to instance housing so this is the permanent solution. A solution which solves absolutely nothing I might add.

But since you went there. I dont care about the housing and I dare say the same applies to everyone else who doesnt join your little "crusade" (or atleast they dont care enough). On a player level, its 100% vanity, as it provides absolutely nothing that isnt already there in some form

"Little crusade" you say? I'd say it's far from being "little" considering there is quite a large group of people who are not happy with housing. How does cross-breeding plants in apartments work again? And what about your airship hanger?

But unlike people like you, I care about everything else first.

I care about fairness for everyone, and developers not lying to my face.

I guess it's the only way you can support your vindictive attitude instead of doing the sensible thing and quitting the game

What a solid argument, "If you don't like one aspect of this game you should just quit". Clearly you have the attitude of "screw everyone else, as long as I get what I want I'm happy." Am I wrong? It's pretty clear from your previous posts in this thread that you are only here to pick fights with everyone that doesn't agree with you.