Can Red Mage aoe be less boring?

[Ariomi]

Most classes have mind numbing AOE after 4 mobs.

Sure its not SUPER complex, but its no worse than doom spiking, Holy spam, Overpower spam.

Well, Dragoon's have doom spike, then sonic thrust. Geirskogul and Nostrand are also line Aoes.
Blm's have Flare, Fire 2, Blizzard 2, Thunder 4 and Foul
Ninja's have Mudras, Deathblossom, Hellfrog Medium, and TCJ/Kassastu can be used as Aoes
Samurai have a really strong aoe rotation, with a really strong aoe oGcd.
Monks have Howling Fist, Elixir Field, Rock Breaker, and Arm of the destroyer.
Summoner's have bane, shadow flare, painflare, Deathflare and Ahk Morn.

Red Mage's Aoe is basically only scatter in most dungeons as a tank rarely pulls less than four mobs; Contra is almost always on cooldown anyway.
Maybe have Enchanted Scatter Proc an Aoe Impact? I just want something slightly more engaging...

Red Mage's Aoe is probably the worst, or tied with Mch as the worst.

[Deceptus]

Well, Dragoon's have doom spike, then sonic thrust. Geirskogul and Nostrand are also line Aoes.
Blm's have Flare, Fire 2, Blizzard 2, Thunder 4 and Foul
Ninja's have Mudras, Deathblossom, Hellfrog Medium, and TCJ/Kassastu can be used as Aoes
Samurai have a really strong aoe rotation, with a really strong aoe oGcd.
Monks have Howling Fist, Elixir Field, Rock Breaker, and Arm of the destroyer.
Summoner's have bane, shadow flare, painflare, Deathflare and Ahk Morn.

Red Mage's Aoe is basically only scatter in most dungeons as a tank rarely pulls less than four mobs; Contra is almost always on cooldown anyway.
Maybe have Enchanted Scatter Proc an Aoe Impact? I just want something slightly more engaging...

But it's not just scatter like you said. It's:

Scatter, Contresix, and Moulinet. You included CD's on the other classes then just ignored the RDM ones to fit your argument.

Also, while Scatter is low damage, weaving in Aero/Thunder to Moulinet spam is really strong.

[Miles_Maelstrom]

Why ignore the melee part of the rotation? Rdm has a melee aoe they use after they fill the mana bars.

[ExDecimus]

Well, Dragoon's have doom spike, then sonic thrust. Geirskogul and Nostrand are also line Aoes.

Ahh hahhahhahhaha did you just bring up Nastrond for Dragoons? You understand that we don't use that for AoE right? And though Geirskogul can be used its on a long CD, and no ones wasting Dragonfire Dive like that. So we really just Doomspike and Sonic Thrust, because halfway through the pack we're going to run out of TP anyways.

[Ariomi]

Ahh hahhahhahhaha did you just bring up Nastrond for Dragoons? You understand that we don't use that for AoE right? And though Geirskogul can be used its on a long CD, and no ones wasting Dragonfire Dive like that. So we really just Doomspike and Sonic Thrust, because halfway through the pack we're going to run out of TP anyways.

Except you missed my point entirely. Nastrond, like several other classes strongest move, can be used like an Aoe.

Want a few more examples? Ten Chi Jin, Foul, Ahk Morn, Hissatsu Guren etc.

Verflare/Verholy/Impact despite looking like Aoes are all single target.

Any dungeon under level 50 is completely boring as Red mage as you only have Scatter. When you hit 70, You get a total of two more Aoes. One being an Ogcd.

My only problem with it, is that it's boring. Go grab a Red Mage, and tell me how exciting it is spamming scatter every 50 dungeon.

[Ilan]

Except you missed my point entirely. Nastrond, like several other classes strongest move, can be used like an Aoe.

Want a few more examples? Ten Chi Jin, Foul, Ahk Morn, Hissatsu Guren etc.

Verflare/Verholy/Impact despite looking like Aoes are all single target.

Any dungeon under level 50 is completely boring as Red mage as you only have Scatter. When you hit 70, You get a total of two more Aoes. One being an Ogcd.

My only problem with it, is that it's boring. Go grab a Red Mage, and tell me how exciting it is spamming scatter every 50 dungeon.

I hate to break it for you but its still boring with any class.

[Ariomi]

I hate to break it for you but its still boring with any class.

Not quite. A few classes have fun aoe.

Mudra's on 18 sec cooldown, with death blossom weapon skill, Ten Chi Jin and Kassastu also can be used as Aoe with hell frog medium.

I just want Red mage aoe to be slightly more then two buttons? A blm using fire 2 and flare at level 50 is more interesting as you actually have to do stuff. Then you get Thunder 4, foul, and umbral hearts when you hit 70. Meaning you can flare multiple times, thunder 4 or you can focus on foul.

Some classes aoe is boring, and every class that has boring aoe should be made fun in my opinion. It's just that Red Mage has the most sleep inducing Aoe. I will never play red mage at anything under level 70 because I don't want to just spam scatter through level 50 dungeons.

Scatter and Moulinet... pretty boring after awhile, and my sole complaint about red mage.

[QT_Melon]

Not quite. A few classes have fun aoe.

Mudra's on 18 sec cooldown, with death blossom weapon skill, Ten Chi Jin and Kassastu also can be used as Aoe with hell frog medium.

And below you said 50 is boring. Hell Frog Medium is gone if you're a Ninja at 50 and have really boring AOE cuz the two you mentioned are dull.

I just want Red mage aoe to be slightly more then two buttons?

It has at least 3.

It's just that Red Mage has the most sleep inducing Aoe. I will never play red mage at anything under level 70 because I don't want to just spam scatter through level 50 dungeons.

Scatter and Moulinet... pretty boring after awhile, and my sole complaint about red mage.

Well, yeah if you're just using those two skills of course it's boring. The point of doing AOE isn't just spamming it, you weave in your other skills. You have Fleche at 45, use it on the main target, if it looks like that one is about to die, switch targets, you can add in a dual cast VerAero/Stone or VerThunder/Fire (depending on level) every once in a while instead of just doing a mind numbing rotation.

I don't get the complaint unless people are just using one skill set then in other threads people complain about Healers not using more of their skill set....

[Ariomi]

It has at least 3.

I don't get the complaint unless people are just using one skill set then in other threads people complain about Healers not using more of their skill set....

Red Mage has 2 Gcd Aoes. Contre Sixte's main problem is that it's cooldown is so long, that it's more then likely still on cooldown. It's in the same category as Dragonfire Dive. It's a decent aoe, but it's cooldown is a little much for it's potency. It's the equivalent of a verthunder aoe, that decreases damage the more enemies it hurts.


And in dungeons, When you have 4 or more adds, Scatter is the best thing you can do, as you getting 100 potency per add. Verthunder is only 300 potency, so you are losing 100 potency if you interweave it. I'm not saying you don't use your Ogcd's. But when you actually look at it's useable aoes, it's just boring. Scatter isn't even visually satisfying. Holy, Sonic Thrust, and quite a few other aoes are at least visually very nice.

And I am purely talking about Aoe Skills. I use corps a corps, flèche, contre sixte etc. But compared to other classes at 70, Red Mage's aoe is just boring when they clearly have moves that look like they are supposed to be Aoes.

You Said Ninja's aoe was boring at 50, when they still have more aoe at 50 then Red mage.

let's actually compare all their aoe at level 50
Ninja - Deathblossom, Mudras, Kassastu.
Red Mage - Scatter.
Blm Fire 2, Blizzard 2, Flare, Freeze (still an aoe)
Smn Enkindle, Shadowflare, Bane, Pet Aoes including Radiant Shield and Flaming Crush
Monk - Howling fist, rockbreaker, Arm of the destroyer even, and then you can perfect balance to spam Rockbreaker.
Drg - Doomspike, Dragonfire Dive.
Bard - Quick Noct, Rain of death,
Mch - Spread Shot, Rook auto turret.
Samurai - Fuga, Mangetsu, Oka, Tenka Goken

Notice how Red mage has the least of any Aoe. And while I get that it's a duelist, It needs something more then just scatter dude >.>

[Ilan]

Not quite. A few classes have fun aoe.

Mudra's on 18 sec cooldown, with death blossom weapon skill, Ten Chi Jin and Kassastu also can be used as Aoe with hell frog medium.

I just want Red mage aoe to be slightly more then two buttons? A blm using fire 2 and flare at level 50 is more interesting as you actually have to do stuff. Then you get Thunder 4, foul, and umbral hearts when you hit 70. Meaning you can flare multiple times, thunder 4 or you can focus on foul.

Some classes aoe is boring, and every class that has boring aoe should be made fun in my opinion. It's just that Red Mage has the most sleep inducing Aoe. I will never play red mage at anything under level 70 because I don't want to just spam scatter through level 50 dungeons.

Scatter and Moulinet... pretty boring after awhile, and my sole complaint about red mage.

Dude aoe situations with NIN are freaking boring because you spam death blossom, use mudras, spam death blossom, use frog, spam death blossom...aaaaaaand so on.

It is boring as hell just like on every other class too

As NIN you have 3 things for aoe. One of it are mudras, where you mostly use Katon since tanks move the mobs out of doton anyway, you have the frog what takes a while to build up and you have death blossom what still drains your tp like crazy. On the other hand you have the RDM who builds up Moulinett and waits for the other cd during scatter spam. Its not really different besides that you as a RDM don't run out of mana at all...