Can Red Mage aoe be less boring?

[Ariomi]

Ahh hahhahhahhaha did you just bring up Nastrond for Dragoons? You understand that we don't use that for AoE right? And though Geirskogul can be used its on a long CD, and no ones wasting Dragonfire Dive like that. So we really just Doomspike and Sonic Thrust, because halfway through the pack we're going to run out of TP anyways.

Except you missed my point entirely. Nastrond, like several other classes strongest move, can be used like an Aoe.

Want a few more examples? Ten Chi Jin, Foul, Ahk Morn, Hissatsu Guren etc.

Verflare/Verholy/Impact despite looking like Aoes are all single target.

Any dungeon under level 50 is completely boring as Red mage as you only have Scatter. When you hit 70, You get a total of two more Aoes. One being an Ogcd.

My only problem with it, is that it's boring. Go grab a Red Mage, and tell me how exciting it is spamming scatter every 50 dungeon.

[Ilan]

Except you missed my point entirely. Nastrond, like several other classes strongest move, can be used like an Aoe.

Want a few more examples? Ten Chi Jin, Foul, Ahk Morn, Hissatsu Guren etc.

Verflare/Verholy/Impact despite looking like Aoes are all single target.

Any dungeon under level 50 is completely boring as Red mage as you only have Scatter. When you hit 70, You get a total of two more Aoes. One being an Ogcd.

My only problem with it, is that it's boring. Go grab a Red Mage, and tell me how exciting it is spamming scatter every 50 dungeon.

I hate to break it for you but its still boring with any class.

[Kabooa]

My only problem with it, is that it's boring. Go grab a Red Mage, and tell me how exciting it is spamming scatter every 50 dungeon.

Functionally no different than spamming an AoE weaponskill like most jobs.

[Averax]

Simple class has simple aoe.

:O

Honestly i hate setuppy aoe rotations, because mobs seldom live long enough for the setup to pay off.

[Ariomi]

I hate to break it for you but its still boring with any class.

Not quite. A few classes have fun aoe.

Mudra's on 18 sec cooldown, with death blossom weapon skill, Ten Chi Jin and Kassastu also can be used as Aoe with hell frog medium.

I just want Red mage aoe to be slightly more then two buttons? A blm using fire 2 and flare at level 50 is more interesting as you actually have to do stuff. Then you get Thunder 4, foul, and umbral hearts when you hit 70. Meaning you can flare multiple times, thunder 4 or you can focus on foul.

Some classes aoe is boring, and every class that has boring aoe should be made fun in my opinion. It's just that Red Mage has the most sleep inducing Aoe. I will never play red mage at anything under level 70 because I don't want to just spam scatter through level 50 dungeons.

Scatter and Moulinet... pretty boring after awhile, and my sole complaint about red mage.

[QT_Melon]

Not quite. A few classes have fun aoe.

Mudra's on 18 sec cooldown, with death blossom weapon skill, Ten Chi Jin and Kassastu also can be used as Aoe with hell frog medium.

And below you said 50 is boring. Hell Frog Medium is gone if you're a Ninja at 50 and have really boring AOE cuz the two you mentioned are dull.

I just want Red mage aoe to be slightly more then two buttons?

It has at least 3.

It's just that Red Mage has the most sleep inducing Aoe. I will never play red mage at anything under level 70 because I don't want to just spam scatter through level 50 dungeons.

Scatter and Moulinet... pretty boring after awhile, and my sole complaint about red mage.

Well, yeah if you're just using those two skills of course it's boring. The point of doing AOE isn't just spamming it, you weave in your other skills. You have Fleche at 45, use it on the main target, if it looks like that one is about to die, switch targets, you can add in a dual cast VerAero/Stone or VerThunder/Fire (depending on level) every once in a while instead of just doing a mind numbing rotation.

I don't get the complaint unless people are just using one skill set then in other threads people complain about Healers not using more of their skill set....

[Ariomi]

It has at least 3.

I don't get the complaint unless people are just using one skill set then in other threads people complain about Healers not using more of their skill set....

Red Mage has 2 Gcd Aoes. Contre Sixte's main problem is that it's cooldown is so long, that it's more then likely still on cooldown. It's in the same category as Dragonfire Dive. It's a decent aoe, but it's cooldown is a little much for it's potency. It's the equivalent of a verthunder aoe, that decreases damage the more enemies it hurts.


And in dungeons, When you have 4 or more adds, Scatter is the best thing you can do, as you getting 100 potency per add. Verthunder is only 300 potency, so you are losing 100 potency if you interweave it. I'm not saying you don't use your Ogcd's. But when you actually look at it's useable aoes, it's just boring. Scatter isn't even visually satisfying. Holy, Sonic Thrust, and quite a few other aoes are at least visually very nice.

And I am purely talking about Aoe Skills. I use corps a corps, flèche, contre sixte etc. But compared to other classes at 70, Red Mage's aoe is just boring when they clearly have moves that look like they are supposed to be Aoes.

You Said Ninja's aoe was boring at 50, when they still have more aoe at 50 then Red mage.

let's actually compare all their aoe at level 50
Ninja - Deathblossom, Mudras, Kassastu.
Red Mage - Scatter.
Blm Fire 2, Blizzard 2, Flare, Freeze (still an aoe)
Smn Enkindle, Shadowflare, Bane, Pet Aoes including Radiant Shield and Flaming Crush
Monk - Howling fist, rockbreaker, Arm of the destroyer even, and then you can perfect balance to spam Rockbreaker.
Drg - Doomspike, Dragonfire Dive.
Bard - Quick Noct, Rain of death,
Mch - Spread Shot, Rook auto turret.
Samurai - Fuga, Mangetsu, Oka, Tenka Goken

Notice how Red mage has the least of any Aoe. And while I get that it's a duelist, It needs something more then just scatter dude >.>

[Moogly]

I already hotkeyed all the letters on my keyboard to scatter for max-efficiency faceroll, so NO.

[Deceptus]

let's actually compare all their aoe at level 50
Ninja - Deathblossom, Mudras, Kassastu.
Red Mage - Scatter.
Blm Fire 2, Blizzard 2, Flare, Freeze (still an aoe)
Smn Enkindle, Shadowflare, Bane, Pet Aoes including Radiant Shield and Flaming Crush
Monk - Howling fist, rockbreaker, Arm of the destroyer even, and then you can perfect balance to spam Rockbreaker.
Drg - Doomspike, Dragonfire Dive.
Bard - Quick Noct, Rain of death,
Mch - Spread Shot, Rook auto turret.
Samurai - Fuga, Mangetsu, Oka, Tenka Goken

Notice how Red mage has the least of any Aoe. And while I get that it's a duelist, It needs something more then just scatter dude >.>

Again, you're comparing apples to oranges to support your argument. So many of those are limited by TP, MP, or have long CD's. Double Scatter is extremely potent, as is Scatter into Thunder/Aero.

If there's a lot of enemies and you aren't topping the dps as a RDM you're doing something EXTREMELY wrong.

[Ariomi]

Again, you're comparing apples to oranges to support your argument. So many of those are limited by TP, MP, or have long CD's. Double Scatter is extremely potent, as is Scatter into Thunder/Aero.

If there's a lot of enemies and you aren't topping the dps as a RDM you're doing something EXTREMELY wrong.

It is apples to apples. If you just don't know anything about any other classes, they may seem like apples to oranges but they are all the same. Scatter is Red Mage's go to Gcd Aoe. Just like Deathblossom is Ninja's go to Gcd Aoe, Or Doomspike for Dragoon.

Scatter is no different then Deathblossom, Doomspike, Quick Noct, Spread Shot, etc. As they are all spammable aoes, that use up a classes resources. They maybe slightly different then each other, But in function, and use they all are the same. A Red Mage can use Scatter until their Mp runs dry, as much as a Blm can Fire 2 until they ran out of mana, or a Bard runs out of tp using quick Nock. Bard and Red Mage, only need to press a little button to refresh their tp/mp, and can keep spamming until their heart's content.

The only thing worth mentioning, is while Scatter costs less to cast, it also is one of the weakest potency wise. Dualcast Scatter is 200 potency over the course of two gcds. Deathblossom is 110 potency, Doomspike is 130. Dualcast Scatter is the equivalent of doomspike 2x. And while dualcast scatter is 200 potency, Two doomspikes are 260 potency.

At level 50 Scatter is Red Mage's only aoe.

In addition to Quick Nock, Bard's have rain of death, A 15 second Aoe Ogcd. This can be reset by Dots critting.
In addition to Deathblossom, Ninja's have Mudras. Every 20 seconds, a ninja can choose out of several attacks, including two aoes.
In addition to Scatter, Red Mage has nothing. Zip. Zilch. Nada. Bupkis. (at level 50)


Oh, and You are far mistaken if you think Red Mage should be anywhere near the top of the charts of the aggro list when it comes to aoes.
Let me educate you about a class called Black Mage. Fire 2 with full Astral Fire does about 150 potency per add. (Only about 50% more then scatter.) Blm's also have infinite Mana, and can spam this almost forever. Or a Blm can use Flare, 260 potency aoe that can be buffed by Astral Fire.

At level 70, Black Mage gets an aoe called Foul. 650 potency aoe every thirty seconds or so, If they play their cards right. This is more then twice as potent as Red Mage's strongest aoe, and with a lower cooldown.

Contre Sixte - 300 Potency - 45 Second cooldown. Red Mage's strongest aoe.
Foul - 650 Potency - 30 Second Cooldown. Black Mage's Strongest aoe.

I want something to Supplement Red Mage's aoe. Not necessarily make it stonger, But definitely make it more interesting.