Can Red Mage aoe be less boring?

[Ariomi]

I really like Red Mage when running trials, savage fights, anything EXCEPT dungeons.

Red Mage's aoe is just mindless and boring.

Can Impact get turned into an aoe? It looks like an aoe... (So does Verflare though. It would be kinda cool if Verholy did high single target damage and verflare did slightly less damage but was an aoe...)

Really.. Can Red Mage just do something other then scatter? A pull of 3 or more adds? Scatter spam. It's just so dull and boring...

I know it's a duelist class, meaning aoe isn't it's thing. But can it be made not to be so mind numbingly boring?

Fours add pull. Could either do Scatter for 400 potency total, or jolt 2 for 240 potency...

[Rawrz]

Most classes have mind numbing AOE after 4 mobs.

Its not as simple as scatter for 3 mobs. Its:

3 Mobs: Scatter and alternate between VerAero and VerThunder to quickly build Black and white mana.

4 Mobs: Spam Scatter.

I like to alternate between using Embolden for one pull and Manafiction for the next.

Moulinet is what you spend your black and white mana on for a pay off on 3+ pulls. Your goal, when you plan on using manafiction is to get mana to:

15, 30, 45 or 75.

15 + manafiction = 1 Moulinet
30 + manafiction = 2 Moulinet
45 + manafiction = 3 Moulinet
75 + Manafiction = 4 Moulinet (use 1 then manafiction)

You also have all your OGCDS to weave, fleche, contre, Corps, Displacement, mana shift the healer, etc.

Sure its not SUPER complex, but its no worse than doom spiking, Holy spam, Overpower spam.

[Ariomi]

Most classes have mind numbing AOE after 4 mobs.

Sure its not SUPER complex, but its no worse than doom spiking, Holy spam, Overpower spam.

Well, Dragoon's have doom spike, then sonic thrust. Geirskogul and Nostrand are also line Aoes.
Blm's have Flare, Fire 2, Blizzard 2, Thunder 4 and Foul
Ninja's have Mudras, Deathblossom, Hellfrog Medium, and TCJ/Kassastu can be used as Aoes
Samurai have a really strong aoe rotation, with a really strong aoe oGcd.
Monks have Howling Fist, Elixir Field, Rock Breaker, and Arm of the destroyer.
Summoner's have bane, shadow flare, painflare, Deathflare and Ahk Morn.

Red Mage's Aoe is basically only scatter in most dungeons as a tank rarely pulls less than four mobs; Contra is almost always on cooldown anyway.
Maybe have Enchanted Scatter Proc an Aoe Impact? I just want something slightly more engaging...

Red Mage's Aoe is probably the worst, or tied with Mch as the worst.

[Deceptus]

Well, Dragoon's have doom spike, then sonic thrust. Geirskogul and Nostrand are also line Aoes.
Blm's have Flare, Fire 2, Blizzard 2, Thunder 4 and Foul
Ninja's have Mudras, Deathblossom, Hellfrog Medium, and TCJ/Kassastu can be used as Aoes
Samurai have a really strong aoe rotation, with a really strong aoe oGcd.
Monks have Howling Fist, Elixir Field, Rock Breaker, and Arm of the destroyer.
Summoner's have bane, shadow flare, painflare, Deathflare and Ahk Morn.

Red Mage's Aoe is basically only scatter in most dungeons as a tank rarely pulls less than four mobs; Contra is almost always on cooldown anyway.
Maybe have Enchanted Scatter Proc an Aoe Impact? I just want something slightly more engaging...

But it's not just scatter like you said. It's:

Scatter, Contresix, and Moulinet. You included CD's on the other classes then just ignored the RDM ones to fit your argument.

Also, while Scatter is low damage, weaving in Aero/Thunder to Moulinet spam is really strong.

[Miles_Maelstrom]

Why ignore the melee part of the rotation? Rdm has a melee aoe they use after they fill the mana bars.

[ExDecimus]

Well, Dragoon's have doom spike, then sonic thrust. Geirskogul and Nostrand are also line Aoes.

Ahh hahhahhahhaha did you just bring up Nastrond for Dragoons? You understand that we don't use that for AoE right? And though Geirskogul can be used its on a long CD, and no ones wasting Dragonfire Dive like that. So we really just Doomspike and Sonic Thrust, because halfway through the pack we're going to run out of TP anyways.

[Ariomi]

Ahh hahhahhahhaha did you just bring up Nastrond for Dragoons? You understand that we don't use that for AoE right? And though Geirskogul can be used its on a long CD, and no ones wasting Dragonfire Dive like that. So we really just Doomspike and Sonic Thrust, because halfway through the pack we're going to run out of TP anyways.

Except you missed my point entirely. Nastrond, like several other classes strongest move, can be used like an Aoe.

Want a few more examples? Ten Chi Jin, Foul, Ahk Morn, Hissatsu Guren etc.

Verflare/Verholy/Impact despite looking like Aoes are all single target.

Any dungeon under level 50 is completely boring as Red mage as you only have Scatter. When you hit 70, You get a total of two more Aoes. One being an Ogcd.

My only problem with it, is that it's boring. Go grab a Red Mage, and tell me how exciting it is spamming scatter every 50 dungeon.

[Ilan]

Except you missed my point entirely. Nastrond, like several other classes strongest move, can be used like an Aoe.

Want a few more examples? Ten Chi Jin, Foul, Ahk Morn, Hissatsu Guren etc.

Verflare/Verholy/Impact despite looking like Aoes are all single target.

Any dungeon under level 50 is completely boring as Red mage as you only have Scatter. When you hit 70, You get a total of two more Aoes. One being an Ogcd.

My only problem with it, is that it's boring. Go grab a Red Mage, and tell me how exciting it is spamming scatter every 50 dungeon.

I hate to break it for you but its still boring with any class.

[Kabooa]

My only problem with it, is that it's boring. Go grab a Red Mage, and tell me how exciting it is spamming scatter every 50 dungeon.

Functionally no different than spamming an AoE weaponskill like most jobs.

[dinnertime]

I'm still hoping that RDM gets Verblizzard and Verwater as AoEs, then work on the AoE spellblade into a 3 skill combo that triggers Verflare/Verholy, then make Verflare and Verholy AoEs (with falling damage of course).

Other than that, SAM has the most engaging AoE I've probably experienced. I wish it was like that for other jobs. Like I wish BRD's Quick Nock combo'd with Wide Volley (that's less TP and more damage) instead of removing it. Same for DRG's Ring of Thorns but honestly this is because I like the animation lol.