SMN 4.06 Changes

[Savagelf]

right now SE you creative a Unique summoner

at 2.0 nobody knew you going bring the summoner out yet you did. sure scholar and summoner linked to same class a mistake we know that know

one promise was we be able summon an prime when use the entire fc. this promise kind went un-fulfilled yet it wasn't really a valid promise with lore of game and machinac time see what can be done and what can't be down. my suggest is lvl basic summoner pet growth so that when you lvl up your pet change with you. it isn't tried demand remove the entire pet system it build on the system in place first off replace the system would to much work and force all players who play summoner to have learn a new playing styles.
I do agree replace physick with sustain is good ideal. the Scholar need physick.

My suggest build on your pet system make far more better

for lvl 30-50 you summon is spirit form 25% of Prime power
for lvl 50-60 you summon take on more flesh like form 30%
for lvl 60-70 it respent the original prime that it was drawn for 35%
all summoning still can be glamorized back a carbruncle this keep carby fan groupee happy

I also suggest adding Shiva and Ramuh who fit with lore both seem have respect of Mother Crystal

[AlphaSonic]

I more knowledge about ff game then you do why do you notice that I keep refer to old games. yes me shut up because I know to much about old games that you don't want people see and you don't me to talk because I prefer see summoner hold to core machinac

I play ff8 and ff 9 ff1

the summoner is pet job it will away be

Are summons in the games you listed like the pets of this game? Answer the question.

(Spoiler: If you answer Yes, it's wrong.)

[Dyvid]

Are summons in the games you listed like the pets of this game? Answer the question.

(Spoiler: If you answer Yes, it's wrong.)

Are FFXIV's BLM, RDM, BRD, SCH, blah blah blah exactly the same as in other versions? The point this is FFXIV and SMN is a pet job in this version of the series. To remove pet would be to piss on everyone who actually likes playing Summoners in FFXIV. We even got a big flashy summons that needs a little work

P.S. To answer your question; FFX, FFXI, FFXII, and FFXIII treated Summons as pet like.

[Neela]

To remove pet would be to piss on everyone who actually likes playing Summoners in FFXIV.

current situation with pets: not many player left who can be pissed after all by any chance... if pets stay make them and the interaction worth it else kill them... Titan is already dead since 4.0, Ruda and Ifrit have just one purpose: their specific buff skill, everything else is just like an extra DoT : /

[AlphaSonic]

Are FFXIV's BLM, RDM, BRD, SCH, blah blah blah exactly the same as in other versions? The point this is FFXIV and SMN is a pet job in this version of the series. To remove pet would be to piss on everyone who actually likes playing Summoners in FFXIV. We even got a big flashy summons that needs a little work

P.S. To answer your question; FFX, FFXI, FFXII, and FFXIII treated Summons as pet like.

Counterargument:

Pets in FFXIV are just glorified DoTs with 1 clunky ability that makes them desirable:
Garuda -> Contagion
Ifrit -> Radiant Shield
Titan -> LOL

I think it would be easier to fulfill the SMN fantasy by getting rid of the pets, making SMN a DoT class (like it was in 2.x and 3.x), replace some Aetherflow abilities with Summonings and give them more abilities with summonings. Then balance around it.

Ex:
Fester -> Summon Ifrit (Same effect as Fester, better animation)
Bane -> Summon Garuda (Same effect as Bane, better animation)

[ZhaneX]

Counterargument:

So basically Yuna in Dissidia? Which is an idea people have floated before, and I agree it could work quite well.

[Rakith]

Ex:
Fester -> Summon Ifrit (Same effect as Fester, better animation)
Bane -> Summon Garuda (Same effect as Bane, better animation)[/QUOTE]

I like this idea !!

[Savagelf]

current situation with pets: not many player left who can be pissed after all by any chance... if pets stay make them and the interaction worth it else kill them... Titan is already dead since 4.0, Ruda and Ifrit have just one purpose: their specific buff skill, everything else is just like an extra DoT : /

I think if it was announce the remove of the summon you already anger a lot of people in-game

I one those people, my mage main is a summoner as her main job. what I tried suggest is an attempt to salvage and repair the damage on summoner so that people will play them again. I bet if summoner were remain pet job and job was improve the people who like them that would be happy but if there was threat to remove carbruncle as pet and the others it anger a lot players and we see a lot players say that they can't and shouldn't do it. right now there no threat on SE mind to remove them. This SE chance Salvage and rebuild hope for the summoner aswell future pet jobs to come

my mage main is Jaina Proudpaw

[Savagelf]

when come to pet jobs there balance act that must be mainten

we look each pet
Garuda is Range dps 75% of damage that a bard usually does
Titan is tank 75% of damage done by tanks
Ifrit is melee dps. 75% damage done by Monk or Ninja
Shiva range magic dps
Ramuh also range magic dps

One way to balance these pets out
would look jobs in ffxiv and set them to do half of each job they correspond with

or it set be 50% of each job with summoner doing of 50%

what devs need do set up scale for damage the pets going do and the summoner is also going do.
and look best set the scale so summoner and pet meet that scale damage per level

[AlphaSonic]

So basically Yuna in Dissidia? Which is an idea people have floated before, and I agree it could work quite well.

Exactly. Summons should be part of the class and not just a side kick.