Thread: SMN 4.06 Changes

Originally Posted by Silkerin

I personally wouldn't mind for trance to "go away", and in it's place instead of trance, you get a timed stance/buff, that makes your ruin3/4s cheaper, just like trance, but instead of doing just that, it makes your egi closer to its full form and buffing it like spur, resetting enkindle cd and allowing you to either command the pet to use its final move, or the smn itself doing it, because of how bad pet response is...

this way I think smn would move towards the more traditional smn from the series that some people want, while still retaining the way it works.

Trance is fine (keep in mind it buffs your pet too). Hell Bahamut conceptually is fine, as summoning him fits extremely well as an extension of the Trance system. The problem is the aetherflow lockouts. There's definitely some shoddy implementation too (Addle procs Wyrm Wave, button bloat cause Bahamut/Akh Morn isn't integrated into DWT/Deathflare, Contagion/Radiant Shield/Rouse exasperate the lockout issues in different ways), but everything majorly wrong with Summoner currently stems from the fact we're forced to separate our aetherflow from DWT. Yoshi-P intended for DWT to be filler in Heavensward, and the player base found a better way to use it by stacking Aetherflow and DWT. Instead of embracing how the player base was using DWT, he forced his idea of how SMN -should- work down our throats for Stormblood. And look what it's done.

It's not worth it. It's simply not worth it, for casual and hardcore players alike, this is a badly implemented, poorly thought out system, but one that can easily be fixed. Just remove the locks. Let Summoners go wild for a patch, then tune their damage down while releasing harder to implement QoL.

Originally Posted by Grimoire-M

everything majorly wrong with Summoner currently stems from the fact we're forced to separate our aetherflow from DWT. Yoshi-P intended for DWT to be filler in Heavensward, and the player base found a better way to use it by stacking Aetherflow and DWT. Instead of embracing how the player base was using DWT, he forced his idea of how SMN -should- work down our throats for Stormblood. And look what it's done.

It's not worth it. It's simply not worth it, for casual and hardcore players alike, this is a badly implemented, poorly thought out system, but one that can easily be fixed. Just remove the locks. Let Summoners go wild for a patch, then tune their damage down while releasing harder to implement QoL.

i don't think the locks are the problem because if you understand all the lockouts they simple set a part of your rota - snow explained it very well in his guide, yeah it needs a bit of understanding but actually you can reach kinda "flow" based on the lockouts. - my only personal problem which I can't find an "own" solution for is Bahamuts Move>Atk mentality thats actually the only major problem smn really have... kickin' in a deathflare with 1 sec left while jumping out of massiv aoes: hell yeah BOOM! - kickin' in an Ahk Morn with 5+ sec left while jumping out of massiv aoes: uhm... sry master maybe next time... q.q

else all the 4.1 changes look okay to very cool for me but they still have to force Bahamut for some gym-hours... : /