A simple revamp to Cleric Stance that might fix raid balancing..

[RichardButte]

It's also worth noting that SE have been down this road before with Gordias, the DPS checks there were stern enough that they were still a very real challenge at 210 with healers contributing as well.

And that's exactly the problem I've been pointing out...

Don't factor in healer DPS and raids get cleared day 1. Factor it in and it murders the ability of 80% of the community's ability to do them.

Perhaps you could clarify as to why you feel it is such an issue now when this has been a thing for the past 4 years?

You answered your own question with your previous sentence. As to why now, it's an issue because it was always an issue. Healers in a raid being able to DPS or not DPS (due to not having to do as much healing of avoidable damage) has always divided the raiding community.

Maybe the real answer here is "Super Savage", where hopefully healer DPS will 100% be factored into the equation (we'll see, I suppose).

[Sebazy]

Don't factor in healer DPS and raids get cleared day 1. Factor it in and it murders the ability of 80% of the community's ability to do them.

Gordias was the way it was because of a very significant oversight in SE's internal testing. The infamous and oft quoted 'We don't factor healer dps into the equation' actually came about because of the uproar over the DPS checks in both A3S and A4S. It wasn't a conscious design decision, rather the testing team were just playing phase by phase rather than trying the encounter as one entire fight (confirmed by Yoshida) and it's believed that they were going into each phase with fresh cooldowns and such.

Fun fact for you, do you realise that there are only 2 truly legitimate clean kills of A4S uploaded to logs? Literally every other last kill is exploiting a loophole with a key mechanic.

Healers in a raid being able to DPS or not DPS (due to not having to do as much healing of avoidable damage) has always divided the raiding community.

I think you're overstating things, it's more of an issue with the casual community and here on the forums than it is with the raiding scene itself. Rather handily I was helping a friend try to get an O4S clear last night in PF, mechanically the group was fine but the DPS wasn't quite there (23.5k combined, literally 500dps or less short). My DPS was middling and the ASTs was worse still, we hit enrage 3 times, two of which were 1% wipes. There was no blame gaming, no one called out the healers (or any of the DPS for that matter) whatsoever. We just kept pushing as hard as we could for the entire lockout and it's a shame we didn't get the kill as the group earned it imo.