How does SE justify these ten min enrages, but doesnt let anyone know their dps

[Thunda_Cat_SMASH]

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Oh, I never said that using parsers is a bad thing! It's a bonus that can help with the intricacies of a fight. Worldfirsters know their jobs inside and out, and only use parsers to fine tune details. Relying on it and using it as a bonus are completely different things.

Relying on a parser: "I need to use this or I can't clear content!"

Not relying on a parser, but using one: "So, I messed up slightly here and here, what shall I do instead?"

The first states you can't improve without it, the second acknowledges player mess ups and how they can be improved.

Good to know acknowledging parsers have uses means I don't know how to play the game! Parsers must really be useless then, oh boy!

[Snow_Princess]

There is no such thing of relying on a parser, it does not tell you rotations, no one is suggesting dependence on it.. it ... is.... just a tool, this makes no sense, and why he said what he did.

If you have to rely on a third party tool to clear content, you're probably not ready to tackle said content.

^ that makes no sense, that is the point of the comment. Also lets assume there is some truth to this, people can use such tools like this to learn and start to do .. whatever.. without the crutch tool. In other words, no matter how you look at this quote, it does not make sense and is wrong.

Let me put this in a different way, ,you are pretty much saying "you are not ready to do said content because you never did it before so you do not know the fight" there is specific ways you can adjust rotations to squeeze in things between phases, it is different then beating a dummy, bosses have invulnerable stages so it skews rotation theory a bit.

This goes back to the original statement, that people seem have trouble answering. If SE is going to give strict rotations and have dps checks, why are parsers not allowed on an official stance? Stawmaning like this post makes no sense and does not help answer the original statement.

[CosmicKirby]

Good to know acknowledging parsers have uses means I don't know how to play the game! Parsers must really be useless then, oh boy!

Oh, your following post is full of backpedaling that completely contradicts your first one. That's not the point of 'my' post.
Your second post is arguing that any carpenter worth their salt SHOULD be able to complete a house without a screw driver. That's a silly and absurd statement.

Was the first one purely for sensationalism? Likes from whoever in the WORLD is out of touch enough to find that worthy of a 'like'?

[Thunda_Cat_SMASH]

Was the first one purely for sensationalism? Likes from whoever in the WORLD is out of touch enough to find that worthy of a 'like'?

Nope! I just disagree that parsers are the end all be all. That's not really an accurate analogy either.

Now do you understand why people are questioning how you posted?

That tells me that people didn't read further than the title, considering that the OP rants about being unable to clear content on PS4 inside of their opening post(or was it the second? I know it's on the very first page), when people on PS4/3 have been clearing harder endgame raids with little if any problem.

[Snow_Princess]

Nope! I just disagree that parsers are the end all be all.

That has nothing to do with his posts or the original statement of the thread though. Don't you understand you are not commenting on any main points? Lulumia Lumia is 100% correct and you did not address anything he said. You did not even answer his question (other then nope, that is the only thing that makes sense) what you said for why you posted that, does not go with the point of the thread.

It is very simple:

How does SE justify these ten min enrages, but doesnt let anyone know their dps

and I had yet to see anyone answer it. I do not know how to answer it, and curious to know why the official stance is you can't use parsers with all the dps checks that exist, it the concepts are contradicting. The way you feel about parsers has nothing to do with that question. Now do you understand why people are questioning how you posted?

[TankHunter678]

My experience with parsers being a good thing is incredibly limited to the point of being an anecdote of an anecdote. My experience with parsers being a bad thing is considerably more, especially during the brief time I was playing WoW.

Implementing parsers here in theory would help people learn DPS better. 9 times out of 10 however its going to be used for excluding others from even warm up end game content, its going to be used for belligerence and harassment of others. It would also drive the community even more towards the competitive toxic mindset that currently infested every other MMO out there with parsers.

[Holkan]

Heres the thing these people who are going to harass people over their dps or performance already do so. The only thing that will change is instead of a put down being you suck ass at this game it will be you suck ass at this game for doing low dps or (generic dps number here). I have a paladin in my static who had no idea his damage was super below what it should be because he had 0 feed back from the game its self on what he was doing wrong. I helped him with his rotation showed him a parser and he literally does triple the dps he did before. Parsers aren't going to change how people behave at all it's just a tool.

TLDR: the people who already harass people over dps run parsers now. The only difference will be that people will use a # tacked to their you suck as opposed to their just you suck insult they use now.

[Alleo]

@TankHunter678

But you cant take one experience over the other and say that one is a fact or even saying that this means 9 out of 10 would be horrible. We simply dont know because FF14 does not have an official parser and all the experiences in other MMOs might be hints how it could be going but it could also go completely in the opposite way.

I knew someone that parsed but they never mentioned it in any dungeons or other stuff. They did complain about this to me and it was shocking how bad people can be but it was never used to harass those. Maybe that person was the 1 out of 10 but I cant believe that. I for example would never use a parser that way. I am fine with clearing dungeons and normal instances even with bad DDs/tanks/healers and I would only ever say something politely if we cant clear it or if someone is not even doing much. (Which can be seen even without a parser) But if you go in recent ex primals or into savage content you should be ready to bring at least a certain minimum amount of DPS with you and if you dont then why should people carry that person?

SE simply could give us a better report system if someone truly is using this for pure harassment thus those people would be punished quite fast.

[Nyxn607]

But if you go in recent ex primals or into savage content you should be ready to bring at least a certain minimum amount of DPS with you and if you dont then why should people carry that person?

Just a suggestion if you personally are not doing it already. Use your FC or group of friends if you don't want to take the chance of having a under performing player in the group. Also, keep in mind, everyone has their off day's. Judging someone from a single run is not doing justice for anyone. If they are consistently under performing, then yes, they need to pull their weight or gtfo.

[Remedi]

I helped him with his rotation

This actually helped more than the parser, also tbf the dummies also serves to tell you that maybe your dps is low, If you cannot beat them with the right gear, so I don't buy the argument that the game doesn't tell you enough.

edit: also there's difference in blaming some1 with a non authorized tool and blaming some1 with an authorized tool