Who else HATES the new PVP system? change it yoshida, pls.

[Sylvina]

Well, greatly reducind the required knowledge, skill and overall attention one has to have to play PvP of course will increase the number of sheeps joining it.
That doesnt mean that the PvP itself is good. It's just easy to play.

No wonder you came to that guy's defense you're almost as bad...

[Rasylia]

No wonder you came to that guy's defense you're almost as bad...

Are you saying all those points are not true?

[kikix12]

Are you saying all those points are not true?

Yes. Try playing a fighting game where there is a total of four buttons + movement and tell me that reduction of buttons to press removes skill. You can spam buttons to regularly defeat an easy AI or a newbie player. A pro player will get perfect after perfect on you though, finishing you off in less than a minute.

Knowing the tools at opponents disposal, knowing when to use your restricted skills. Actually using the right skills for the right situation. All of that is required to maximize the effect of your skills. A better player will be better. A better team will always win with the worse team. There is far less randomness, far less slipped fingers, far less unresponsive, critical skills. As a result, SKILL and KNOWLEDGE is what matters MORE, not LESS. On the other hand, you can STILL have some successes without either.

[Rasylia]

No wonder you came to that guy's defense you're almost as bad...

A more lenghty reply here.

1.) Stop starting to insult people that disagree with you.
2.) Defending someone from beeing called toxic trash is not "fully agreeing with him" or "beeing on his side" but its not beeing an unreasonable person who degrades other human beeings.
3.) The 3 points i mentioned:

a. Reducing the required knowledge
-> What do you need to know when joining PvP nowadays? Nothing. You have to set up your skills (can be done in the 2 minute timer before the start) and you need to know what to do (destroy the ice, kill people)

b. Reducing the overall skill required for PvP
-> everyone is the same. Same skills, same stats, same everything. There is no difference between people anymore, hence long time PvP'ers dont have any advantage towards newbies
-> Greatly reducing the skill gap between newcomers and veterans

c. Reducing the attention people have to give towards the PvP game
-> Due to the "equality" of players its just one huge brawl, everyone spams his abilites, and one sides dies.
-> Even more often its just that one player gets picked upon and gets terminated.
-> You dont have to pay attention to anything else than the map, rush there, kill the ice, dont die.
-> When your spawn gets taken, take it back.

Thats it. There is nothing more to PvP nowadays.
And because its this easy to pick up and play, and doesnt require much to focus on, more people do it.

In all honesty, come up with some proper arguements before calling other people trash. Thanks

[Twinsoul]

I really enjoy the new PvP system. I was healing in Frontlines last night and felt very powerful. The limited action bar was not a hindrance, since it freed me to focus less on a tangle of buttons and more on what was going on around me. Better to be fighting other players than fighting a massive number of buttons. It doesn't take a hundred buttons to give depth to battle if the buttons we do have are meaningful, which they are. I was constantly aware of my cooldowns and mana, much more than I was in PvP previously. I think if folk give a chance to the new system instead of reacting to it for being different, most will find it is much, much improved.

Well, greatly reducind the required knowledge, skill and overall attention one has to have to play PvP of course will increase the number of sheeps joining it.

1.) Stop starting to insult people that disagree with you.

No response for you until you figure out what a logical thought progression is.

[Synestra]

Better to be fighting other players than fighting a massive number of buttons.

So button bloat was never the real issue it was more of muscle memory issue that can be fixed just by playing over and over and over again. We still have same button bloat in PvE so why is it ok there and not in PvP?

[Jybril]

1.) Stop starting to insult people that disagree with you.

Yet you called us Sheep over the system?

Something about black kettles and pots here I think...

[Rasylia]

Yet you called us Sheep over the system?

Something about black kettles and pots here I think...

Yeah, because i clearly talked to you when i said sheeps. Jeez, people, stop getting offended over everything.
Join a PvP game and check how many people have 0 idea what they are doing, where to do it, and when to do it.
THOSE are the sheeps i was talking about.

[Elfidan]

Yeah, because i clearly talked to you when i said sheeps. Jeez, people, stop getting offended over everything.
Join a PvP game and check how many people have 0 idea what they are doing, where to do it, and when to do it.
THOSE are the sheeps i was talking about.

The biggest problem is that people get mad when someone tries to call out objectives, and people who call objectives are frequently insufferable most likely for this reason. You're not wrong though most people run to the middle just to try and fight whoever they can.

[Caitlyn]

PvP was good in HW. Now its a big faceroll content, flooded with bots.