Thief and Ninja!

[grandm]

parry materia can only go on GLA / MRD / LNC / CNJ 2-Hand / THM 2-Hand

pug gets no access to it Anyhow Im not saying glad has to have theif, but out of all the choices i think pug and glad are the forerunners. Its also definately far down the line (they say they want magic classes first, then pet classes, then most likely corsair, so thief and ninja whether main or sub is probably a looooonnng ways a way. By then i expect many things will have changed, sooo its really hard to say what will be what.

first off they said materia is new and to expect more in the future. so i expect to see new materia before we see thief so you can't really use what we have now as an arugment. and second PUG has great evade skills and stats, the sort of thing you would expect from a thief.

i hope they make the dagger into a class and work thief in there but if they don't the PUG makes alot more sense than GLD. and there would be riots if GLD got thief instead of something like dark knight

[Vawn]

Gladiator to THief? Lol no thanks.

Yeah, let's just stick to class/job combos that make sense, like Archer to Bard.

[Vyncent]

Yeah, let's just stick to class/job combos that make sense, like Archer to Bard.

Yeah, why is this the case? Why not Archer to Ranger?

[Engineer]

And I've seen Marauders sneak around and steal. Thus, Marauder would become thief before Gladiator.

FFXI was the only game I can think of that hard bards be a pure buffer. Everquest, NWN, and Rift all had bards in a support/DPS role. And where do you get "mid range" from? Seems like you're just making up stuff.
It makes more sense than Conjurer or Thaumaturge -> Thief, I'll give you that. It makes more sense than Culinarian -> Thief. But it makes less sense than any of the other Disciples of War. Yes, even Marauders are more likely to become thieves based off the story than Gladiators are.

So wait, wait. You're telling me the "thief" tag is so important that you wouldn't want to go with the "ninja" tag, even though Ninja would have everything "thief" would have, plus more? That seems kinda... silly.

Glad to see you decided to agree with me at the last second for some reason. Thief, seeing as it's always been either the starter or one of the earliest-accessed classes/jobs in Final Fantasy, should be a starter class. Heck, on three occasions the Thief actually upgrades to Ninja, and in one case there's a ninja who, by profession, is also a thief.
Incidentally, the only time a class actually upgrades into a thief is... Archers in FFT.
Lastly, there are other times when people are marked as thieves (Rikku, who uses H2H combat, and Balthier, who starts off with a rifle), but that just leans towards either pugilists or "thief" being more of a lifestyle than a combat style.

So the Final Fantasy precedent is:
Archers can become thieves.
Thieves can become ninjas.
Being a thief isn't necessarily a combat style, more of a lifestyle.

No Gladiator makes more sense being a Thief than a Marauder. Dagger, Dual weild? or Great Axe?

That aside, all im saying is Thief should be a Job, and not a class. It doesnt make sense for Thief to be a class. It doesnt matter if Thief had Maurauder for its class, or even Pugilist. All i care about is Thief not being a class, its degrading.
Im sure players want thief as a Job. you would get Job specific Gear (artifact) and such.

Ninja can have all the Sneak attack stuff, thats not the point. The point is Thief has been a staple Job, and should stay as one.

it can be (suggestion)


Ninja (job) Dual Weild mastery trait.
Parivir (class) ---->
Samurai (job) Double Hand trait (holds katana with 2 hands)

[Engineer]

in most Final Fantasy games Thief unlocked Ninja and Assassin. So we will see how things go. I honestly do not care if its a class or job as long as I can be a Thief I have no complaints.

but wouldnt you want to be Thief as a Job? Job specific gear, and weapons? all content being released in the future is geared towards party and jobs? Thief as a class wouldnt make the cut.

[grandm]

class - pickpocket
job - thief

any better?

[Engineer]

Samurai would work better for a GLA Damage Dealer Advanced Job or Even Dark Knight.

i remember some talk awhile back that Executioner was being considered as the scythe class, dont remember where i saw it.

but i would rather see Dark knight on the Scythe or Two Handed Sword class.

as for Samurai, Gladiator doesnt have katanas. ;/

[Engineer]

Breaking the daggers out into there own class and then having ninja sprouting out of that only seems logical to me.

i understand what your getting at. Thief and ninja are a bit similar, but that doesnt mean Thief should be its class.

Thief needs to be a Job and not a class. How can Thief be class if classes revolve around weapons, and thief is "a way of life"?

[normalforce]

class - pickpocket
job - thief

any better?

What about Rogue, Acrobat, Footpad, Magsman for the class?

[grandm]

i remember some talk awhile back that Executioner was being considered as the scythe class, dont remember where i saw it.

but i would rather see Dark knight on the Scythe or Two Handed Sword class.

as for Samurai, Gladiator doesnt have katanas. ;/

the talk of Executioner came about coz the JP video had one in it. we found out that Executioner is what the japanese call MRD. so there will be no Executioner job.

i also think GLD should get samurai or dark knight. and think all GLD's will feel a bit short changed with a thief