Thief and Ninja!

[Engineer]

1) Gladiators becoming thieves makes no sense at all. You don't go from a plate-wearing, shield-bearing, sword-swinging pit-fighter to a sneaky, leather-armor wearing, dagger-using, agile rogue.
2) I know Gladiators were supposed to have dual-wielding at launch (and a whole secondary stamina bar for their off-hand), but that idea was scrapped presumably for time purposes. Did they actually mention Gladiators would get dual-wielding back? I think it would just come off as silly at this point.
3) The types of daggers you use as a Gladiator are more like parrying daggers or gladii. Thieves could easily use any number of short weapons, like kunai, kukris, stilettos, dirks, etc.

Thief -> Ninja would make a lot of sense, and it fits very well with Final Fantasy (Ninja was the advanced job of Thief in the very first Final Fantasy.)

Thief as a class doesnt make sense at all. Thief is meant to be a job.

Ive seen Gladiators wearing leather, equipped with a dagger and shield, and reminded me of a thief.

and your forgeting Archer is going from a DD long range shooter to a Mid range Musical player.

Gladiator -> Thief. makes sense.

also making thief a class would ruin it all. there wouldnt be no thiefs in parties since its a class, and this games best content would need to be proceeded with Jobs.

Thief cant be a class. Class = weapon, and thief has always been the main Staple Job of most final fantasies.

[Powercow]

Ive seen Gladiators wearing leather, equipped with a dagger and shield, and reminded me of a thief.

And I've seen Marauders sneak around and steal. Thus, Marauder would become thief before Gladiator.

and your forgeting Archer is going from a DD long range shooter to a Mid range Musical player.

FFXI was the only game I can think of that hard bards be a pure buffer. Everquest, NWN, and Rift all had bards in a support/DPS role. And where do you get "mid range" from? Seems like you're just making up stuff.

Gladiator -> Thief. makes sense.

It makes more sense than Conjurer or Thaumaturge -> Thief, I'll give you that. It makes more sense than Culinarian -> Thief. But it makes less sense than any of the other Disciples of War. Yes, even Marauders are more likely to become thieves based off the story than Gladiators are.

also making thief a class would ruin it all. there wouldnt be no thiefs in parties since its a class, and this games best content would need to be proceeded with Jobs.

So wait, wait. You're telling me the "thief" tag is so important that you wouldn't want to go with the "ninja" tag, even though Ninja would have everything "thief" would have, plus more? That seems kinda... silly.

Thief cant be a class. Class = weapon, and thief has always been the main Staple Job of most final fantasies.

Glad to see you decided to agree with me at the last second for some reason. Thief, seeing as it's always been either the starter or one of the earliest-accessed classes/jobs in Final Fantasy, should be a starter class. Heck, on three occasions the Thief actually upgrades to Ninja, and in one case there's a ninja who, by profession, is also a thief.
Incidentally, the only time a class actually upgrades into a thief is... Archers in FFT.
Lastly, there are other times when people are marked as thieves (Rikku, who uses H2H combat, and Balthier, who starts off with a rifle), but that just leans towards either pugilists or "thief" being more of a lifestyle than a combat style.

So the Final Fantasy precedent is:
Archers can become thieves.
Thieves can become ninjas.
Being a thief isn't necessarily a combat style, more of a lifestyle.

[normalforce]

Being a thief isn't necessarily a combat style, more of a lifestyle.

Yes, this! Being a rogue is a way of life.

[Engineer]

And I've seen Marauders sneak around and steal. Thus, Marauder would become thief before Gladiator.

FFXI was the only game I can think of that hard bards be a pure buffer. Everquest, NWN, and Rift all had bards in a support/DPS role. And where do you get "mid range" from? Seems like you're just making up stuff.
It makes more sense than Conjurer or Thaumaturge -> Thief, I'll give you that. It makes more sense than Culinarian -> Thief. But it makes less sense than any of the other Disciples of War. Yes, even Marauders are more likely to become thieves based off the story than Gladiators are.

So wait, wait. You're telling me the "thief" tag is so important that you wouldn't want to go with the "ninja" tag, even though Ninja would have everything "thief" would have, plus more? That seems kinda... silly.

Glad to see you decided to agree with me at the last second for some reason. Thief, seeing as it's always been either the starter or one of the earliest-accessed classes/jobs in Final Fantasy, should be a starter class. Heck, on three occasions the Thief actually upgrades to Ninja, and in one case there's a ninja who, by profession, is also a thief.
Incidentally, the only time a class actually upgrades into a thief is... Archers in FFT.
Lastly, there are other times when people are marked as thieves (Rikku, who uses H2H combat, and Balthier, who starts off with a rifle), but that just leans towards either pugilists or "thief" being more of a lifestyle than a combat style.

So the Final Fantasy precedent is:
Archers can become thieves.
Thieves can become ninjas.
Being a thief isn't necessarily a combat style, more of a lifestyle.

No Gladiator makes more sense being a Thief than a Marauder. Dagger, Dual weild? or Great Axe?

That aside, all im saying is Thief should be a Job, and not a class. It doesnt make sense for Thief to be a class. It doesnt matter if Thief had Maurauder for its class, or even Pugilist. All i care about is Thief not being a class, its degrading.
Im sure players want thief as a Job. you would get Job specific Gear (artifact) and such.

Ninja can have all the Sneak attack stuff, thats not the point. The point is Thief has been a staple Job, and should stay as one.

it can be (suggestion)


Ninja (job) Dual Weild mastery trait.
Parivir (class) ---->
Samurai (job) Double Hand trait (holds katana with 2 hands)

[Powercow]

No Gladiator makes more sense being a Thief than a Marauder. Dagger, Dual weild? or Great Axe?

They do not have dual wield. Marauders sneak around and steal things. Which one seems more thief-like, the class that has no similarities to a thief, or the class that has quests to be a thief?

Not saying Marauder should become thief, I'm just saying that it's far more likely that any of the other DoWs will become thief first.

That aside, all im saying is Thief should be a Job, and not a class. It doesnt make sense for Thief to be a class. It doesnt matter if Thief had Maurauder for its class, or even Pugilist. All i care about is Thief not being a class, its degrading.
Im sure players want thief as a Job. you would get Job specific Gear (artifact) and such.

Really? It's degrading? Come on.

Ninja can have all the Sneak attack stuff, thats not the point. The point is Thief has been a staple Job, and should stay as one.

Again, thanks for agreeing with me that thief should be the base class... again. In FF1, 3, 5, 6, 7, 9, 10, and 11, T, and TA, thieves have either been one of the starting jobs, a job gained in the tutorial dungeon, or given right at the beginning. That seems like a base class to me.

It just seems to me like you wanna see thief AF armor, and have no real logical basis for thief being a job besides that. It's not degrading at all; that's an obtuse and completely subjective opinion.

[Engineer]

They do not have dual wield. Marauders sneak around and steal things. Which one seems more thief-like, the class that has no similarities to a thief, or the class that has quests to be a thief?

Not saying Marauder should become thief, I'm just saying that it's far more likely that any of the other DoWs will become thief first.

Really? It's degrading? Come on.

Again, thanks for agreeing with me that thief should be the base class... again. In FF1, 3, 5, 6, 7, 9, 10, and 11, T, and TA, thieves have either been one of the starting jobs, a job gained in the tutorial dungeon, or given right at the beginning. That seems like a base class to me.

It just seems to me like you wanna see thief AF armor, and have no real logical basis for thief being a job besides that. It's not degrading at all; that's an obtuse and completely subjective opinion.

Well, im sticking to my Guns, lol and Thief should be a Job as it always has been. Class = Weapon, Job = Role so in XIV Thief as a class doesnt make sense at all.