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    Oscura's Avatar
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    Shion Sumeragi
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    Gilgamesh
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    Samurai Lv 80
    Quote Originally Posted by Esoterikk View Post
    They actually had a SAM and switched to MNK because it's DPS doesn't outshine utility + damage.
    Someone in this thread already previously posted something that more or less proves at a certain level of skill a SAM will outdamage a MNK + Brotherhood. The difference however, was incredibly small. What you are not understanding is that utility makes it more progression safe. Read carefully. The fact SAM is not progression safe is just common sense. No one here has made an argument that SAM was/is required for progression or that it would completely invalidate classes in progression, but more specifically that optimizing in raiding and/or speedrunning that SAM would take precedence.
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    Last edited by Oscura; 07-19-2017 at 12:52 PM.

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    Lambdafish's Avatar
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    Khuja'to Binbotaj
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    Hyperion
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    Paladin Lv 100
    Quote Originally Posted by Oscura View Post
    The fact SAM is not progression safe is just common sense. No one here has made an argument that SAM was/is required for progression or that it would completely invalidate classes in progression, but more specifically that optimizing in raiding and/or speedrunning that SAM would take precedence.
    This is something tanks and healers have been dealing with since 3.0, and that is fine (and only affects the top end min/maxers).

    WHM is a pure healer, and will be amazing for progression, but once the fight has been learned SCH/AST will be better (up to the point where a WHM can solo heal)
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    Last edited by Lambdafish; 07-19-2017 at 04:19 PM.