SAM out classing all other DPS

[Shiroe]

So, now that we're seeing many progression parties with no SAM are we still going to say that the job is op?
The preferred party composition seems to be rdm, nin, brd and drg.

Sam can/will be top contender to replace either job listed there, if not still top contender to replace nin or brd...

but seems, comps want buffing classes atm.. (for speed runs, see Sam well in there instead of one of the metionded)

while Smn, blm have zero chances.. and mnk is still probably less favoured over Sam..

[Shiroe]

Sam can/will be top contender to replace either job listed there, if not still top contender to replace nin or brd...

but seems, comps want buffing classes atm.. (for speed runs, see Sam well in there instead of one of the metionded)

while Smn, blm have zero chances.. and mnk is still probably less favoured over Sam..

and for top fflogs, which still many want, besides the speed runs or 1st kills, Sam is still by far top contender..

[Lastelli]

Sam can/will be top contender to replace either job listed there, if not still top contender to replace nin or brd...

but seems, comps want buffing classes atm.. (for speed runs, see Sam well in there instead of one of the metionded)

while Smn, blm have zero chances.. and mnk is still probably less favoured over Sam..

NIN will be there also for speedruns unless it is further nerfed. It really seems most people don't realise how good TA is.

Meanwhile, we see MNKs and DRGs in progression parties. Since HC raiders know a thing or two about optimality and understand how utility works, I'll just stay here and laugh, thinking about all the salt of the last few days.

And again, blm and smn have nothing to do with sam. The real problem is that rdm is just a superior caster. You should be asking for rdm nerfs or your own buffs to be balanced wrt rdm. Sam is not the source of your problems.

[Nite83]

My OP job is not in any raid comps. I want a buff!!!!!!

[Shiroe]

blm should be like sam, big deeps no utility as a replacement like it was in 2.0 for mnk, either blm or mnk worked, if you had foe..

should be the same now with blm and Sam, either should work

but in 3.0 it went "physical only" for any

Sam might not need a nerf, but the other jobs (atm after 4.05 seems like mostly casters) need some buffs or balancing.. and looking at how Sam dps is insane and doesn't get punished, a sam nerf would have been merit instead of buffing all the others before 4.05..., just nin still seemed a bit OP too

[Eyvhokan]

Meanwhile, we see MNKs and DRGs in progression parties. Since HC raiders know a thing or two about optimality and understand how utility works, I'll just stay here and laugh, thinking about all the salt of the last few days.

Does the 2-4% increase of personal DPS from the DRG suddenly put them in raid comps?

[Lastelli]

Does the 2-4% increase of personal DPS from the DRG suddenly put them in raid comps?

Apparently, yes.

[Eyvhokan]

Apparently, yes.

This is literally only the Dragoon's DPS. None of the buffs were touched this patch, but personally the DRG him/herself now does 2-4% more damage than before, and that was enough to tip the scales?

[Shunye]

it probably has alot more to do with class synergy and group buff stacking than anything else. if you can get 4 group buffers to all pop their buffs at the same time which causes you to end up skipping a phase, it's more beneficial than having a sam who will average out to more damage over the course of the fight. that and the huge nerf to single target balance card is a huge knock against sam.

This is literally only the Dragoon's DPS. None of the buffs were touched this patch, but personally the DRG him/herself now does 2-4% more damage than before, and that was enough to tip the scales?

also don't forget the damage that the increased damage for the bard just for the dragoon being in the group providing the piercing debuff.

[Eyvhokan]

also don't forget the damage that the increased damage for the bard just for the dragoon being in the group providing the piercing debuff.

I don't think that changed this patch; it's still 5% IIRC.

From the numbers before, what DRG provided in terms of synergy/buff damage did not make up the raw numbers due to how low DRG was. The only thing that changed was the DRG personal DPS only, by 2-4%. Did that damage buff put the DRG up enough that the deficit was closed?