SAM out classing all other DPS

[Kiyosuki]

I feel this was their intention from the start; as what would have been SAM's more direct competition, MNK and DRG, single target DPS specialists...both respectively seem to be slowly being taken down a somewhat different direction as of SB, leaving SAM to be the dedicated single target specialist.

Honestly, it doesn't bug me as much as some other things. SAM should be amongst the highest DPS with how its kit is structured. I think the greater problems lie in balancing the other DPS jobs to be more on par in generating DPS sensible to their jobs' respective focus. I won't lie that SAM could maybe use a very slight trim or two with a few things, but otherwise this seems to be the plan they're structuring around.

[Thunda_Cat_SMASH]

(enpi)

Enpi is always a DPS loss to use, regardless of the situation. Only bad SAM even touch it. Yaten is only worth the kenki spent if it let's you get in a GCD you otherwise wouldn't before disengaging.

[Esoterikk]

World first V4S had no SAM. Guess they can't be that amazing.

[Oscura]

World first V4S had no SAM. Guess they can't be that amazing.

World first (edit: not first actually, but one of the first clears) for T5 had two Warriors in 2.0.

This is literally irrelevant.

[Esoterikk]

World first (edit: not first actually, but one of the first clears) for T5 had two Warriors in 2.0.

This is literally irrelevant.

Its actually extremely relevant, since parsing is an unofficial part of the game a class "being higher on the DPS meter" than you is not a good enough argument. If the hardest content can be cleared without a SAM then they aren't outclassing everyone enough to be a problem.

[Oscura]

Its actually extremely relevant, since parsing is an unofficial part of the game a class "being higher on the DPS meter" than you is not a good enough argument. If the hardest content can be cleared without a SAM then they aren't outclassing everyone enough to be a problem.

Any combination of classes (within the tank/dps/healer trinity of course) can clear any content. The fact of the matter is what is optimal and what isn't. It's irrelevant because it has nothing to do with that. Progression is different from optimization. If you had bothered to read any of this thread you'd find that a lot of the posts are less "muh deeps 2low to samurai" and more "SAM in an optimal setting can outdamage the utility + damage some classes can bring."

You can clear any and all content without a ninja, but it doesn't change that they are too good.

"They cleared without <class>," is not an argument, period.

[Esoterikk]

They actually had a SAM and switched to MNK because it's DPS doesn't outshine utility + damage.

[Oscura]

They actually had a SAM and switched to MNK because it's DPS doesn't outshine utility + damage.

Someone in this thread already previously posted something that more or less proves at a certain level of skill a SAM will outdamage a MNK + Brotherhood. The difference however, was incredibly small. What you are not understanding is that utility makes it more progression safe. Read carefully. The fact SAM is not progression safe is just common sense. No one here has made an argument that SAM was/is required for progression or that it would completely invalidate classes in progression, but more specifically that optimizing in raiding and/or speedrunning that SAM would take precedence.

[Exiled_Tonberry]

They actually had a SAM and switched to MNK because it's DPS doesn't outshine utility + damage.

I'm sure they wanted a Monk for Mantra if anything. Because damage is so ridiculous with their current gear.
What point is there in higher damage if you're dead afterall?

[Eyvhokan]

I'm sure they wanted a Monk for Mantra if anything. Because damage is so ridiculous with their current gear.
What point is there in higher damage if you're dead afterall?

Yep, was due to Mantra (actual utility, not fake DPS 'utility'), not for damage.

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