Dragoon pet

[Tonkra]

Nice post there Anon.
Sig updated to support the cause.

Nice post?

Looking at that


I'm seeing the incarnation of the lancer we are having ingame now. a regular polearm foot soldier, nothing special. taking into concern... that the OLD FFXIV dev team created the classes with the traditional jobs in mind. so lancer is almost the playstyle of the drg.. like the con is almost a whm with 1.20. (banish, dia, curega, protect, silena, slowga, shell, stoneskin etc.)

and i cant understand why people arent satisfied enough with the lancer when they like to be a damage dealer just wielding polearm class. its just about the job title "dragoon". the really and only cool thing about drg in 1.21 will be the "dragoon" title itself.

really silly

[Nayt]

According to the people against the idea..it wouldn't be cool at all and they'd say something like:

"Or just add the ability to mount wyvern enemies."

I mean, the Dragoons of FFXI storywise rode their own wyverns and even Aruehat makes mention of Dragoons being able to tame her kind (Wyrms), but people are against the idea because it would "gimp" the job, yet if you seen how powerful critical hits can be with materia thrown into the mix..they don't need a wyvern for the job to get 'gimped'.

While they might not need a wyvern for the job to get gimped, it certainly wouldn't help the cause. I doubt anyone who's played pet-based classes has never felt frustration over the AI of the pet, because there's only so much you can make it do.

[Hachi-Roku]

If anything, I hope that maybe SE will do a compromise, and just make it so that dragoon will be in tact solo, but when he/she summons the wyvern, at that point the stat different is deducted and granted to the wyvern. Maybe a percentage so that improving your own stats will also improve the wyvern as well. In this way those who poo-poo the wyvern aren't forced to play with it summoned without consequence (but without benefit), and those who wish to use the wyvern may do so at any time they please.

Our real point is this - it's not that we hate wyverns on principle, but that the balancing job of (as you say) "splitting stats between the two of them" or balancing the occasional breath weapon alongside a FFXIV DRG's attacks is going to be ridiculously hard, if not impossible, to do. We can't see how it can be done without ultimately gimping the player in a very mechanical way- much the same way that DRG was a long-time underutilized class sometime between the launch of FFXI and Abyssea. 'loldrg' didn't spring up for no reason whatsoever, and it's this past experience with DRG being a pet job that many of us are not keen on seeing it as a pet job again.

[Nabiri]

Why not have the choice?

You call your Wyvern, you give up some strength or whatever and get your companion.
You dismiss it, your stats get back to normal.

Exactly what I suggested. Yoshida-san seems to be all about choice anyways. Why not let us have the choice to have a wyvern, and split our damage with our wyvern, or choose not to have one at all, and remain strong. Wyvern could be obtained through a quest, and those who don't want it don't have to get it. If they choose not to get it, they don't lose anything.

[Holy_Dragoon]

Nice post?

Looking at that


I'm seeing the incarnation of the lancer we are having ingame now. a regular polearm foot soldier, nothing special. taking into concern... that the OLD FFXIV dev team created the classes with the traditional jobs in mind. so lancer is almost the playstyle of the drg.. like the con is almost a whm with 1.20. (banish, dia, curega, protect, silena, slowga, shell, stoneskin etc.)

and i cant understand why people arent satisfied enough with the lancer when they like to be a damage dealer just wielding polearm class. its just about the job title "dragoon". the really and only cool thing about drg in 1.21 will be the "dragoon" title itself.

really silly

I did look past the image, because it is obviously not a Dragoon. Kain Highwind and Freya Crescent are Dragoons, or Dragon Knights so to speak. Dragoons embody the spirit and power of the dragon, including it's elemental properties. They can in fact use magic in a supportive role. Their jump tactics make them slow to attack, but when they do you better hope you can absorb damage.

I'm not against the Wyvern, I enjoyed in FFXI for being a different take on the DRG formula. If I happen to do less DPS than an archer or warrior, I'm ok with that. I would however like to see a DRG that strikes HARD when it does strike. Moderate DMG in standard attacks, extreme DMG when taking to the skies, and moderate to low magic skill that is only effective when using the correct element. To do that, a wyvern can't be there that may or may not be able to do damage effectively.

[Rinpoo]

No idea...Dragoon has been one of my favorite jobs in FFXI, not only because I love polearms but also dragons. When I picked up FFXIV back then, it was no question to take a closer look at Lancer. Then they mentioned jobs, and Dragoon being on the list I was totally sold. Finally a dragon mate again! It's been my main reason for picking Lancer as my main class.

Not saying I like the idea about 'gimping' the job, but even if it happened that way, there would be other means to compensate the loss of...whatever. And it's not like dragons would be useless vanity pets. I just remember the upcoming self-skillchains. You could be able to make such chains with your dragon perhaps, or even let other people do them with your dragon...or dragons with other dragons. And with the new engine, who knows what kinda stuff will be possible in the future!?

Now I'm not screaming for flying dragon mounts, although that would be awesome. But...traditional Dragoon or not...not being able to have your dragon mate would make me very sad, and disappointed. Opinion and preference, surely. Just sharing my thoughts. Without the dragons...I don't know how I should identify myself through the job...in any other way than I already do with Lancer right now. It would seem totally pointless to me and I'd lose a big chunk of interest, sadly. Yea that's kinda silly.

Long story short, my vote clearly goes -for- the dragons!

[Zanfire]

While they might not need a wyvern for the job to get gimped, it certainly wouldn't help the cause. I doubt anyone who's played pet-based classes has never felt frustration over the AI of the pet, because there's only so much you can make it do.

well we dont have any pet based jobs to judge now do we? People seriously need to stop thinking everything will be AI controled like FFXI, for one second think differently. Thats pretty much everyones problem with it, they saw how FFXI DRG worked and they instantly think it would be bad in this game, which CLEARLY plays different.

[Chardrizard]

How i hope Dragoon turns out to be, maybe minus the wings but it needs the essence of a dragon within the dragoon, Not just befriending a random wyvern.

[Kirith]

In XI dragoon was the most boring DD class to play for years. It also didn't do enough damage with its flawed accuracy so everyone shunned DRGs, wyvern or not. As long as it's balanced and has a rich play style, it really doesn't matter whether it gets a pet or not.

[Nayt]

well we dont have any pet based jobs to judge now do we? People seriously need to stop thinking everything will be AI controled like FFXI, for one second think differently. Thats pretty much everyones problem with it, they saw how FFXI DRG worked and they instantly think it would be bad in this game, which CLEARLY plays different.

You need to stop telling people to think about ffxi, because clearly you're obsessed with it.

There are only so many commands you can give a pet without mouse point/click or direct keyboard control. At least read the post you're quoting.