The Raid community as we know it

[Pori_Dessu]

This thread is just making me think of this old meme... Which is not a good thing...

[Hayward]

edit: Also, to be a little bit snippy, I'll take my years of education and on-the-job training in classrooms over your, what experience exactly?

Here's where the target of this post brings up some anti-intellectual "School of Hard Knocks" bull.

[Eli85]

If a raid leader is actually saying something like "who is the idiot who keeps missing the soak", that raid leader needs to be stripped of whatever officer position he has because it is INCREDIBLY easy to tell exactly who is fucking up what. That's a BAD raid leader, not a high level toxic raid leader. It is NOT bad for me to say "hey xxx, you screwed up moving out of the puddles 3 times in a row now and killed other people each time as a result, you really need to pick it up or I will be replacing you in the next few attempts". It's also NOT bad for a group of 8 close friends to say things like "god you're such a fucking retard xxx" which is exactly what Xeno and his group do. If you join a group like that and you're the odd man out who didn't realize thatR that's how the group is run, that's definitely on you and not them.

Re: the soak. Pay less attention to the 'dur the raid leader is dumb' and take more into account the tone, the language, the broad stroking that the comment implies. Change it to, if you want, to "X why is it so hard for you to do a simple mechanic like soak?!" Still aggressive, hostile, and in my opinion, unacceptable.

There is nothing wrong with what I've bolded, provided it is delivered in a mature, respectful tone. However, your last quote, that is completely unacceptable in any situation, and is, in my opinion, why a lot of players who are more than capable of raiding, choose not to. The reality is, far more groups engage in that unacceptable behaviour. I mean, would you really call someone a bleeping bleep in a public space? On a bus? In a coffee shop? And not have people turn around wondering what is wrong with you? If someone ever says that to me in real life, I bid them adieu. There is no place in our society for those kinds of comments.

[AxlStream]

Why are you guys still arguing against how Xeno does things for his group? Are you part of his group? No. Are you in a group that can even compete with his? 99.99% of you, no. Leave the dude to do his own thing that doesn't affect you at all and that you're likely to never group with him.

[Arutan]

I have no idea what you're talking about.

[Kyt]

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If that's how people talk to each other, then that's how they talk to each other. It's not your right to dictate how people talk to each other. Some people actually just talk like that. My last quote is not unacceptable in a static where that is the preferred type of communication, and I'll stop you now before you say "that type of communication is not preferred by anyone in the world", because it quite obviously is. Me? no, I don't lead my raids like that. But it obviously works for people who are like that example being xeno and his group who are all close friends. It's not your right to tell them that how they do things is wrong.

[KisaiTenshi]

Reality would like a word with you. South Park is absurdly popular, as is Deadpool and a whole host of "filthy unwatchable" entertainment.

South Park is mean-spirited Political Satire. See also Charlie Hebdo. The problem is that it's viewers are often not smart enough to see the satire and think it's just punching a target because the target is high profile.

Comedians will tell you that you always punch up, those in power, politicians, religious figures, CEO's, basically anyone who uses their power in abusive ways, because if they raise their hand to punch back, it shows you that the person with power will readily abuse it and should be stripped of it.

Deadpool on the other hand is a special kind of narrative that still has to hold back or get an "adults only" rating and thus can't even be marketed.

I would love to see where an individual has ever been kicked for not having specific achievements or minions. Please. >.>

Seems like every time we have a thread about Raiders bringing toxic behavior outside their static safespace we inevitably have people looking at the lodestone to try and prove the other person hasn't cleared something. Raiders clearly do look at the parser sites as a reason to kick people, so let's not pretend it's not happening.

Except sometimes individuals need to be pointed out when they make a mistake. Broadly saying "do mechanics" when it's just one person messing up isn't going to help, because that person may not even think its them (or they could, and just not care, but that's an entirely different situation). If you have someone who is falling severely behind in DPS, if you are knowledgable in the job they play, you should always directly extend advice to them on telling them how they can improve; otherwise, it's possible they will never learn.

Yet, who's fault is it? Finger pointing often comes with the price of "You not doing so hot yourself"

If you have a healer who has the arrows pointing at them to stack, and the healer stops moving to let the DPS catch up, and half the DPS don't even move, who's at fault? If we keep failing the mechanic because half the party won't move, even after being asked twice, then that has to become a vote abandon because nothing is going to let that party even get past that phase.

You can offer all the advice in the world to other players, but if people are just playing healer or tank to get a quick queue and don't actually care about the mechanics, then it creates a miserable experience for everyone.

Being a bully about it just makes people want to get rid of you, even if you are right. I'm sure we've all had the party where once we kick the rude person blaming others, now suddenly everything moves smoothly.

[Nixxe]

South Park is mean-spirited Political Satire. See also Charlie Hebdo. The problem is that it's viewers are often not smart enough to see the satire and think it's just punching a target because the target is high profile.

Comedians will tell you that you always punch up, those in power, politicians, religious figures, CEO's, basically anyone who uses their power in abusive ways, because if they raise their hand to punch back, it shows you that the person with power will readily abuse it and should be stripped of it.

Deadpool on the other hand is a special kind of narrative that still has to hold back or get an "adults only" rating and thus can't even be marketed.

It doesn't really matter. Profanity isn't exactly a turn off for most people. The entire idea of swear words in particular is ridiculous, as each of them has unoffensive synonyms for both connotation and denotation, which means the only distinction in practice between offensive and unoffensive is the permutation of letters you use.

[Atmora]

Here's where the target of this post brings up some anti-intellectual "School of Hard Knocks" bull.

TBF I'd liken high level raiding to being more like a competitive team than a classroom and those environments are pretty different.

[RegnumMagik]

This thread is just making me think of this old meme... Which is not a good thing...

This post just sums up this thread