Quote Originally Posted by KisaiTenshi View Post
There would be no problem with that if the hardcore raiders weren't spreading their toxic playstyle to the rest of the game and actively causing or encouraging people to quit the game so they can raid more "without those casuals causing a wipe"

If a raid group kicks a player for any reason not direct attributed to making the game unbearable, that is griefing. Kicking people because they haven't got melded BiS gear, or certain achievements or minions is just plain griefing and people who do that are the ones who need to grow up. If you don't want to play with the filthy casuals, then never touch the DF without a static party. Life does not give you the perfect team, ever, in the job or school environment, learn to adapt, or make certain you always have your dream team ready. But let me tell you, in reality, you don't get to pick people who get to work with you, and a perfect team comes with time and promotion from within, not by poaching the most experienced.
I would love to see where an individual has ever been kicked for not having specific achievements or minions. Please. >.>

It could also be considered griefing and making the game "unbearable" if an individual continuously messes up a mechanic, and after being told, refuses to do better or actively perform the mechanic correctly, causing several wipes and hindering progress. At the end of the day, if you're PUGing content, majority rules. If the majority agree that someone is hindering progression by continuously botching mechanics, or having such low DPS that the group is essentially carrying them, then it's fair to kick that person if the group dictates it as so. Most statics tend to do things within their own static group, only PUGing a player if they have to or cannot find someone from their own network of equally hardcore/midcore/whatever-core raider friends.

Hence you can avoid most of the drama inside a MMO video game by being extremely selective about what raiders you play with, and what guilds you join. I'd actually suggest people completely avoid guilds that have any presence outside the single video game they are playing to avoid encroachment on your personal/family life.
And no one is forcing the more softcore/midcore raiders to group up with the hardcore raiders. Each static has their own way they do things. Mine would hardly follow the hardcore static meta, and that's fine. I don't care. And my friends inside this game are also friends with me outside of the game. They hardly encroach on my personal life or family time because I prioritize both over a video game, and they are likeminded in that sense. Basically telling people to not make friends with people they meet in this game or to let that friendship extend to other aspects of life is poor advice, imho.

That's not excusable. Nobody is asking for everyone to be a sweet cupcake, because sometimes you do need someone to be "Dr.House" and give it to you straight, but the entire point of "Dr.House" was that he lacked bedside manner or tact, because he only took cases that were challenging. He absolutely did everything possible to avoid doing anything easy. If your patient thinks the pills you prescribe them make their pee smell funny so they stopped taking them, you want the doctor to say "You will ****ing die if you don't take those pills. That is on YOU, not ME."

Hence in a raid, if there is a wipe, identify the problem, not WHO cause the problem. Not enough DPS, ask who can do better. Can't heal through damage, ask if anyone can switch with the healer. Tank is instant-killed on a certain mechanic, switch tanks, etc. If someone you play with simply can't play any role, as apparent by always taking dirt naps as DPS, then perhaps that person needs to try a different DPS. You get absolutely nowhere by kicking people because they aren't the top 1% DPS on a third party unverifiable website.
Except sometimes individuals need to be pointed out when they make a mistake. Broadly saying "do mechanics" when it's just one person messing up isn't going to help, because that person may not even think its them (or they could, and just not care, but that's an entirely different situation). If you have someone who is falling severely behind in DPS, if you are knowledgable in the job they play, you should always directly extend advice to them on telling them how they can improve; otherwise, it's possible they will never learn.

Personally, I would find it more insulting if there were healing difficulties and someone demanded a person switch with me for healing rather than telling me what I could personally do better. That's just not even bothering to teach at that point. That's just replacing the problem so you don't have to bother actually dealing with it. Sometimes it boils down to just having to outright replace, but you should always at least try to work with the person first rather than just be like "Person A, switch out with Person B for heals. We're having too many deaths/not enough AOE healing." That comes off as more 'toxic" that constructive criticism.