The Raid community as we know it

[Nixxe]

That's not "being triggered" that is someone engaging in sociopathic behavior because they like it. Do you know why TV shows, films and movies show restraint on profanity? Even when they're only for adults? It's because they know people will stop watching after 10 minutes and go write a negative review about "a filthy unwatchable piece"

Reality would like a word with you. South Park is absurdly popular, as is Deadpool and a whole host of "filthy unwatchable" entertainment.

[HyoMinPark]

There would be no problem with that if the hardcore raiders weren't spreading their toxic playstyle to the rest of the game and actively causing or encouraging people to quit the game so they can raid more "without those casuals causing a wipe"

If a raid group kicks a player for any reason not direct attributed to making the game unbearable, that is griefing. Kicking people because they haven't got melded BiS gear, or certain achievements or minions is just plain griefing and people who do that are the ones who need to grow up. If you don't want to play with the filthy casuals, then never touch the DF without a static party. Life does not give you the perfect team, ever, in the job or school environment, learn to adapt, or make certain you always have your dream team ready. But let me tell you, in reality, you don't get to pick people who get to work with you, and a perfect team comes with time and promotion from within, not by poaching the most experienced.

I would love to see where an individual has ever been kicked for not having specific achievements or minions. Please. >.>

It could also be considered griefing and making the game "unbearable" if an individual continuously messes up a mechanic, and after being told, refuses to do better or actively perform the mechanic correctly, causing several wipes and hindering progress. At the end of the day, if you're PUGing content, majority rules. If the majority agree that someone is hindering progression by continuously botching mechanics, or having such low DPS that the group is essentially carrying them, then it's fair to kick that person if the group dictates it as so. Most statics tend to do things within their own static group, only PUGing a player if they have to or cannot find someone from their own network of equally hardcore/midcore/whatever-core raider friends.

Hence you can avoid most of the drama inside a MMO video game by being extremely selective about what raiders you play with, and what guilds you join. I'd actually suggest people completely avoid guilds that have any presence outside the single video game they are playing to avoid encroachment on your personal/family life.

And no one is forcing the more softcore/midcore raiders to group up with the hardcore raiders. Each static has their own way they do things. Mine would hardly follow the hardcore static meta, and that's fine. I don't care. And my friends inside this game are also friends with me outside of the game. They hardly encroach on my personal life or family time because I prioritize both over a video game, and they are likeminded in that sense. Basically telling people to not make friends with people they meet in this game or to let that friendship extend to other aspects of life is poor advice, imho.

That's not excusable. Nobody is asking for everyone to be a sweet cupcake, because sometimes you do need someone to be "Dr.House" and give it to you straight, but the entire point of "Dr.House" was that he lacked bedside manner or tact, because he only took cases that were challenging. He absolutely did everything possible to avoid doing anything easy. If your patient thinks the pills you prescribe them make their pee smell funny so they stopped taking them, you want the doctor to say "You will ****ing die if you don't take those pills. That is on YOU, not ME."

Hence in a raid, if there is a wipe, identify the problem, not WHO cause the problem. Not enough DPS, ask who can do better. Can't heal through damage, ask if anyone can switch with the healer. Tank is instant-killed on a certain mechanic, switch tanks, etc. If someone you play with simply can't play any role, as apparent by always taking dirt naps as DPS, then perhaps that person needs to try a different DPS. You get absolutely nowhere by kicking people because they aren't the top 1% DPS on a third party unverifiable website.

Except sometimes individuals need to be pointed out when they make a mistake. Broadly saying "do mechanics" when it's just one person messing up isn't going to help, because that person may not even think its them (or they could, and just not care, but that's an entirely different situation). If you have someone who is falling severely behind in DPS, if you are knowledgable in the job they play, you should always directly extend advice to them on telling them how they can improve; otherwise, it's possible they will never learn.

Personally, I would find it more insulting if there were healing difficulties and someone demanded a person switch with me for healing rather than telling me what I could personally do better. That's just not even bothering to teach at that point. That's just replacing the problem so you don't have to bother actually dealing with it. Sometimes it boils down to just having to outright replace, but you should always at least try to work with the person first rather than just be like "Person A, switch out with Person B for heals. We're having too many deaths/not enough AOE healing." That comes off as more 'toxic" that constructive criticism.

[bweisnicht]

Some extremely sad replies in here from snowflakes who are outraged over nothing - I can guarantee you have never actually watched Xeno's gameplay or taken a second to internalize the process of improving yourself.

Watch him playing any content and the vast majority of criticism you hear is directed towards HIMSELF. Down to single GCD mistakes! Crying on the forums over how you dislike someone's 'elitist attitude' will solve nothing other than to bolster your blanket of safety and perpetuate your ineptitude - criticizing your own play first and foremost is the only way to improve.

[Katryn]

This has people upset? Group dynamics are up to the individual group and what works for them. Further, criticism should start from within to begin with--"Oh, I totally screwed up X," or "Okay, we cleared Y, but what can I do better next time?". Also totally fine to celebrate success, but far too many people would rather find a scapegoat rather than owning up to their own inadequacies. I'll give Xeno this--he seems as able to take feedback as he is to give it.

[Lambdafish]

I'll give Xeno this--he seems as able to take feedback as he is to give it.

More than that, he holds himself to the same expectations that he has of others. I don't care for his "bully" persona, but that's how he handles hardcore content effectively, thats simply on me to not watch his stuff.

I have a far bigger issue with special snowflakes like Kisai trying to tear down "elitist" players (in actuality just well disciplined and knowledgeable players) in order to enforce their own incorrect ideas of how the game should be played. Xeno puts in hours of training and research of game mechanics (down to the GCD or dot tick) in order to master jobs and instances, and we should realise and respect just how much effort goes into being an "elitist" and maybe actually listen to what they have to say.

TLDR: I watched SOTR and if you were offended by anything Xeno said, you are the problem, not him. Disagree sure, but don't be offended, disagreement leads to debate, being offended leads to you forcing your ideals onto the masses.

[Kallera]

TLDR: I watched SOTR and if you were offended by anything Xeno said, you are the problem, not him. Disagree sure, but don't be offended, disagreement leads to debate, being offended leads to you forcing your ideals onto the masses.

Wouldn't this also mean you accept the fact that people are going to adopt his "bully persona" along with it?

[Lambdafish]

Wouldn't this also mean you accept the fact that people are going to adopt his "bully persona" along with it?

I didnt say that, I just realise that there are better ways to counter that. Xenos himself is fair IMO, if he calls you out then you are at fault, if you can prove he is wrong then he will direct his persona to his own failings. Proving you are in the right, and having pride in yourself is far better than being a wet blanket and coming to the forums to complain that someone said mean things to you. Also, the report function exists for anything actually serious

[akaneakki]

I'ts totally cool if that's really true. I just want to believe that all elitists I meet in my daily roulettes and leveling dungeons are just a random douchebags and not part of that elite 'niche comunity that plays by different rules'.

I truely want to belive the same about majority of players too... the blm who does ice then fire. Or the tank using cd after tank buster. Or the tank who doesnt use cds on big pull. What about that healer who only heals but let me die?
I was hoping it be a small part of community but boy am I wrong.

[Kallera]

There are better ways to counter that though. Xenos himself is fair IMO, if he calls you out then you are at fault, if you can prove he is wrong then he will direct his persona to his own failings. Proving you are in the right, and having pride in yourself is far better than being a wet blanket and coming to the forums to complain that someone said mean things to you. Also, the report function exists for anything actually serious

I m not sure if I'm in his datacenter, but he doesn't sound like a person I would get along with, regardless of how I play.

Maybe there is something wrong with me when I don't have an tirade ready for each role. I guess-- shock, gasp!-- doing my best just falls where it may on the criticism line.

[Lambdafish]

I m not sure if I'm in his datacenter, but he doesn't sound like a person I would get along with.

You don't have to get along with him, I probably wouldn't either, I already said that I don't care for his persona. What I'm saying is that if he does call you out then you should listen, or debate if you disagree. What Xeno has is experience and knowledge. If he calls you out then you have the obligation to listen at least and respect the complaint.