The Raid community as we know it

[Bourne_Endeavor]

There would be no problem with that if the hardcore raiders weren't spreading their toxic playstyle to the rest of the game and actively causing or encouraging people to quit the game so they can raid more "without those casuals causing a wipe"

If a raid group kicks a player for any reason not direct attributed to making the game unbearable, that is griefing.

People need to have a mind of their own. Just because Xeno, MrHappy or anyone else says something doesn't mean everyone should necessarily take it as the gospel nor are they responsible for those who do. They aren't encouraging anything. If you dislike their respective styles or the audience who is drawn towards it, don't participate.

No, it isn't. Putting aside we have GMs specifically quoted claiming kicks are justifiable for any reason. If I put up a Party Finder, I am free to restrict it however I please. That includes excluding people who don't meld, use food, DPS on healer or wear Fending gear. I could do something stupid like demand meta groups for Shinryu. If these perimeters aren't to your fancy, you are free to leave. You cannot, however, force me to accept you won't meld. The only thing we can't outright do is post parse numbers to shame other players publicly. Anything else is entirely fair game. Don't like, leave the parties who enforce it.

That's not excusable. Nobody is asking for everyone to be a sweet cupcake, because sometimes you do need someone to be "Dr.House" and give it to you straight, but the entire point of "Dr.House" was that he lacked bedside manner or tact, because he only took cases that were challenging. He absolutely did everything possible to avoid doing anything easy. If your patient thinks the pills you prescribe them make their pee smell funny so they stopped taking them, you want the doctor to say "You will ****ing die if you don't take those pills. That is on YOU, not ME."

Hence in a raid, if there is a wipe, identify the problem, not WHO cause the problem. Not enough DPS, ask who can do better. Can't heal through damage, ask if anyone can switch with the healer. Tank is instant-killed on a certain mechanic, switch tanks, etc. If someone you play with simply can't play any role, as apparent by always taking dirt naps as DPS, then perhaps that person needs to try a different DPS. You get absolutely nowhere by kicking people because they aren't the top 1% DPS on a third party unverifiable website.

They don't do that. They are simply brutally honest-- think along the lines of "Well that was fucking retarded. How about not standing next to the tank like a dumbass?" Aggressive, yes, but that's the style they happen to like. If you don't, stay out of their parties. And it isn't like Xeno suddenly goes off on a verbal beat down for every little mistake. I've been in his parties before. The only time he starts getting pissed is when people continuously make the same dumb mistakes, especially if they refuse to own up to them. He's far more tolerant in learning parties, for instance. Hell, he's stayed with people for hours just to help them clear. It's the people he feels has wasted his time or have no interest in self improvement where his patience wanes.

People are not obligated to coddle nor make you feel good. There is a reason every video game with an online component specifically mentions "online experience may change." And before you go on about griefing. GMs will not do anything should someone call you names over discord. They only care if it happens directly in-game.

[akaneakki]

PThey only care if it happens directly in-game.

I know tons of people who play with xeno and he can be blunt but such a great guy. The fact he helps a lot of players, guides to savage raids, tank perspective etc and so on. I would also get mad if someone makes mistake plenty of times when they shouldn't. The sad part is the same excuse always comes ''as long the duty is done doesn't matter how long it takes'' Or ''its just a game we all play for fun'' FF14 is highly pointed as a big pve game with good story, and pve means shit has to die simple as that. Many often think it's funny for the other people in group to wipe all over again and again.

To make it simple when you are good at something, you want to get in and out fast, not screwing around thinking its okay.

[Kallera]

Thing, is, people take that "blunt" and "honest" attitude and pass it around. Maybe they want the power, maybe they want cover their own performance, but they all make a run bogged down, when the posturing is done among randoms.