The problem with the raiding community--and I used to be a part of it--is not the message from some raiders, but how they say it, the words they choose, and the tone they employ. MrHappy's guest is indicative of this problem. The way raiders speak to each other, this would not pass in any workplace and if friends started to talk that way, they'd find themselves friendless rather quickly.

Now are all raiders like that? No, of course not. I used to run my raid teams on the pillars of respect and maturity. However, this is the exception, not the norm, and for a lot of people--including myself, an ex-raider--it is far too stressful to bother with raiding outside of PUGs (where I can freely not have to deal with the immature players in voice and can ignore chat / whispers in-game).

Until the upper raiding community realizes the toxic behaviour they promote, the top end raid community will keep getting smaller and smaller. It's a shame too, because raiding is such a fun activity. It's not fun when raiders treat others so deplorably.

Also, in case anyone brings it up, being aggressive, yelling at people, threatening others, this does not make anyone play better nor will they learn. I'm a teacher by trade. This sort of "methodology" only pushes learners away.