Thief and Ninja!

[Vyncent]

Yeah, let's just stick to class/job combos that make sense, like Archer to Bard.

Yeah, why is this the case? Why not Archer to Ranger?

[Claire_Pendragon]

GLA needs an option besides just tanking, as the number of DDs allowed in a group can exceed the number of tanks.
Similar with CNJ, since it will be forced into a healer role only, it will need some sorta DD attached. (I vote for RDM)
As for a DW GLA job, the only things to come to mind are NIN and THF, which does leave an issue to the equipment worn. Since armor is lost.

[grandm]

GLA needs an option besides just tanking, as the number of DDs allowed in a group can exceed the number of tanks.
Similar with CNJ, since it will be forced into a healer role only, it will need some sorta DD attached. (I vote for RDM)
As for a DW GLA job, the only things to come to mind are NIN and THF, which does leave an issue to the equipment worn. Since armor is lost.

when they bring out a second job for a class. if they wanted to make a DD for GLD, they could use dark knight or samurai. both would more suit GLD than thief

[Vesper]

GLA needs an option besides just tanking, as the number of DDs allowed in a group can exceed the number of tanks.
Similar with CNJ, since it will be forced into a healer role only, it will need some sorta DD attached. (I vote for RDM)
As for a DW GLA job, the only things to come to mind are NIN and THF, which does leave an issue to the equipment worn. Since armor is lost.

Samurai would work better for a GLA Damage Dealer Advanced Job or Even Dark Knight.

[Engineer]

Samurai would work better for a GLA Damage Dealer Advanced Job or Even Dark Knight.

i remember some talk awhile back that Executioner was being considered as the scythe class, dont remember where i saw it.

but i would rather see Dark knight on the Scythe or Two Handed Sword class.

as for Samurai, Gladiator doesnt have katanas. ;/

[grandm]

i remember some talk awhile back that Executioner was being considered as the scythe class, dont remember where i saw it.

but i would rather see Dark knight on the Scythe or Two Handed Sword class.

as for Samurai, Gladiator doesnt have katanas. ;/

the talk of Executioner came about coz the JP video had one in it. we found out that Executioner is what the japanese call MRD. so there will be no Executioner job.

i also think GLD should get samurai or dark knight. and think all GLD's will feel a bit short changed with a thief

[Powercow]

a dude who fights in the pits, in the actual guild half the people wear leather. Notice also gladiator has full access to the best evasion gear in the game. They also have a weapon skill that does more dmg on monsters that arent looking at you.

Marauders also have a lot of cloth and leather armor-wearing people in their quests, as well as also having full access to the best evasion gear in the game. All DoWs do. It's a pretty typical thing in fantasy games for the guy who has access to the heaviest armor to also be able to wear the lightest. The way Gladiators are portrayed, and the way sensible Gladiators gear, is with heavy armor.
Many of the quests with Marauders in them involve stealing and theft on a regular basis, so you know, there's that. There's even a sneaking mission for Marauders where you have to steal something without getting caught -- the quintessential thief quest.

In terms of thief-like abilities, Pugilist has Blindside (sneak attack) and Accomplice (er, accomplice), Lancers have Collusion (trick attack), Archers have Quickstride (flee). Pugilists were also originally supposed to have Steal be baseline, but that was scrapped.

So in terms of actual gameplay and story mechanics combined, Gladiator is probably the least likely DoW to become thief.

Im not saying glad has to be theif, but its certainly not out of logical sense, note as well, parry doesnt work with shield, and yet they have parry materia.

Parry materia (and the Parry stat in general) is for Marauders and to a much lesser extent tanking Pugilists, and an even lesser extent Lancers. If you have a Gladiator using Parry materia and it's not just because they're recycling the gear from Marauder, then, well...

ninja, hmmm it would probably need a lot from pugilist, or use very similar skills, most likely it could be a pugilist 2nd job, or would at least partially require pugilist.

Or Ninja could require Thief, which would make the most sense. Believe it or not, new classes can and will be added. Not every job needs to stem from the current few we have. Musketeer sure as hell wouldn't make any sense from our current class list.

[Physic]

Marauders also have a lot of cloth and leather armor-wearing people in their quests, as well as also having full access to the best evasion gear in the game. All DoWs do. It's a pretty typical thing in fantasy games for the guy who has access to the heaviest armor to also be able to wear the lightest. The way Gladiators are portrayed, and the way sensible Gladiators gear, is with heavy armor.
Many of the quests with Marauders in them involve stealing and theft on a regular basis, so you know, there's that. There's even a sneaking mission for Marauders where you have to steal something without getting caught -- the quintessential thief quest.

In terms of thief-like abilities, Pugilist has Blindside (sneak attack) and Accomplice (er, accomplice), Lancers have Collusion (trick attack), Archers have Quickstride (flee). Pugilists were also originally supposed to have Steal be baseline, but that was scrapped.

So in terms of actual gameplay and story mechanics combined, Gladiator is probably the least likely DoW to become thief.


Parry materia (and the Parry stat in general) is for Marauders and to a much lesser extent tanking Pugilists, and an even lesser extent Lancers. If you have a Gladiator using Parry materia and it's not just because they're recycling the gear from Marauder, then, well...


Or Ninja could require Thief, which would make the most sense. Believe it or not, new classes can and will be added. Not every job needs to stem from the current few we have. Musketeer sure as hell wouldn't make any sense from our current class list.

parry materia can only go on GLA / MRD / LNC / CNJ 2-Hand / THM 2-Hand

pug gets no access to it Anyhow Im not saying glad has to have theif, but out of all the choices i think pug and glad are the forerunners. Its also definately far down the line (they say they want magic classes first, then pet classes, then most likely corsair, so thief and ninja whether main or sub is probably a looooonnng ways a way. By then i expect many things will have changed, sooo its really hard to say what will be what.

[grandm]

parry materia can only go on GLA / MRD / LNC / CNJ 2-Hand / THM 2-Hand

pug gets no access to it Anyhow Im not saying glad has to have theif, but out of all the choices i think pug and glad are the forerunners. Its also definately far down the line (they say they want magic classes first, then pet classes, then most likely corsair, so thief and ninja whether main or sub is probably a looooonnng ways a way. By then i expect many things will have changed, sooo its really hard to say what will be what.

first off they said materia is new and to expect more in the future. so i expect to see new materia before we see thief so you can't really use what we have now as an arugment. and second PUG has great evade skills and stats, the sort of thing you would expect from a thief.

i hope they make the dagger into a class and work thief in there but if they don't the PUG makes alot more sense than GLD. and there would be riots if GLD got thief instead of something like dark knight

[Powercow]

parry materia can only go on GLA / MRD / LNC / CNJ 2-Hand / THM 2-Hand

pug gets no access to it

The Pug comment was more towards parry gear, not necessarily the materia.