SAM out classing all other DPS

[Blanchimont]

I've only done a single run as Samurai in a dungeon, but I feel it is far easier to play than a Monk because you don't have to worry about chakras and stacks of Greased Lightning. Riddle of Fire is much more potent than even I believed it to be. Samurai's combo potency is just absurd though compared to the others.

[poffo]

Sam. is extremly easy to play especialy compared to dam. out put.

[Limani]

Yeah when you're a 50 or 60 SAM you are right, but a SAM on 70 is more complex then you're think.

[PotatoTree]

SAM doesn't have 0 group utility, it gives a slashing debuff.

[Oscura]

Yeah when you're a 50 or 60 SAM you are right, but a SAM on 70 is more complex then you're think.

This must be a forumgoer thing because the grand majority of the people I know are 70 SAM and none of them have reached that consensus at all.

[Limani]

It is a big difference whether you are a normal Dungeon boss with the samurai or Susano / Lakshmi Ex. Myself have both down and it is not so simple. You have to look for buffs, CDs, mechanics and your kenki.

All those who think that the samurai is much too simple despite the great DMG output either have never played him on 70 or 62+ or his mechanics not understood. It is not just about combo to combo to use but also to use your Kenki accordingly.

And positioning is more important with the Samurai than with the other Meeles, in my opinion, because like with the others one makes more DMG, BUT depending on the position you get also more Kenki.

[Valsh]

As someone that has played monk for 3 years, I find maxing damage on samurai to be harder, might just be the massive experience difference with the jobs though.

[RyuujinZERO]

You have to look for buffs, CDs, mechanics and your kenki.

That's how most classes work <.<

But SAM has fairly straightforward, idiot-proof rotations to achieving that goal, and the buffs tend to have longer, more forgiving windows (Compare to MNK who's buffs fall off very quickly if you mess up and have non-linear rotations, or DRG or BLM who loses half their skill bar if they let blood of the dragon/enochian fall off at the wrong time). Since Stormblood, most classes have a resource gauge similar to Kenki so that is hardly unique either (ie. DRK's blackblood, MCH's Heat Gauge etc)

[Oscura]

It is a big difference whether you are a normal Dungeon boss with the samurai or Susano / Lakshmi Ex. Myself have both down and it is not so simple. You have to look for buffs, CDs, mechanics and your kenki.

All those who think that the samurai is much too simple despite the great DMG output either have never played him on 70 or 62+ or his mechanics not understood. It is not just about combo to combo to use but also to use your Kenki accordingly.

And positioning is more important with the Samurai than with the other Meeles, in my opinion, because like with the others one makes more DMG, BUT depending on the position you get also more Kenki.

Monk has to look for buffs, CDs, mechanics and your greased lightning while managing your chakra gaining at pure RNG.
Dragoon has to look for buffs, CDs, mechanics and manage a poor tethering mechanic while trying not to lose BoTD to Susano's dumb jails and dropping their 3 eyes therefore being unable to use Nastrond or LOTD.

I really dislike that people keep saying "if you think the class is simple you don't understand it," and it's like yes, the ridiculous amount of high Samurai parses by person, it's clear that there are that many people so skilled. It couldn't possibly be anything else. Despite the fact that SAM has higher average parses than every other class. All my friends with incredibly high DPS as SAM don't understand their own class, since they claim it is easy.

Edit: Also, yes, there is a huge difference between dungeons and EX primals. All of my SAM friends cleared the EX primals within two days of hitting 70, however. So that is irrelevant.

Also to say that positioning is more important than other melees is absolutely ridiculous. Samurai receives no such damage buffs from positional combo bonuses. They only receive kenki. Not doing positionals properly on a Monk can vastly alter its damage. Every single one of its attacks is a positional, whereas most of Samurai's are not.

[Pavise]

Samurai is no easier than any other melee DPS class in this game. Some say it's easy because it's weaponskills aren't affected potency wise by positionals without taking into account the impact the Kenki generation from hitting both Kasha / Gekko positionals. Samurai has some complexity in it's oGCD usage, while some might think it simple it's actually quite intricate knowing when to dump your Kenki, when to dump Sen generate more Kenki with Hagakure.

I've been pair with some horrible Samurai in where I've wiped the floor with them even with them having fully decked out gear. There is definitely a skill requirement to do well just like every other Class.

Monk has to look for buffs, CDs, mechanics and your greased lightning while managing your chakra gaining at pure RNG.
Dragoon has to look for buffs, CDs, mechanics and manage a poor tethering mechanic while trying not to lose BoTD to Susano's dumb jails and dropping their 3 eyes therefore being unable to use Nastrond or LOTD.

I really dislike that people keep saying "if you think the class is simple you don't understand it," and it's like yes, the ridiculous amount of high Samurai parses by person, it's clear that there are that many people so skilled. It couldn't possibly be anything else. Despite the fact that SAM has higher average parses than every other class. All my friends with incredibly high DPS as SAM don't understand their own class, since they claim it is easy.

Edit: Also, yes, there is a huge difference between dungeons and EX primals. All of my SAM friends cleared the EX primals within two days of hitting 70, however. So that is irrelevant.

Also to say that positioning is more important than other melees is absolutely ridiculous. Samurai receives no such damage buffs from positional combo bonuses. They only receive kenki. Not doing positionals properly on a Monk can vastly alter its damage. Every single one of its attacks is a positional, whereas most of Samurai's are not.

I've played a monk throughout Heavensward. Nothing really has changed in the transition to Stormblood, it's even EASIER to play than Samurai is, GL is not hard to upkeep, oGCDs aren't hard to use, tracking CDs aren't hard at all (ALL JOBS DO THIS).