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    Player
    DatPotato's Avatar
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    Hazelmine Eynmoenwyn
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    Lich
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    Monk Lv 90
    Well, new classes, to encourage people playing them, might as well make them OP. Doubt it's gonna last. I see this as a marketing move. To get people. (Probably has been said, so might be just an echo)

    Kinda like when à new char is Added in a game or something
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    Last edited by DatPotato; 07-02-2017 at 05:11 PM.

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    Ryaz Darksbane
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    Brynhildr
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    Samurai Lv 100
    I'm pretty sure that soon enough, SAM will be the new MNK and get nerfed to be equal to the other DPS classes and then thrown away and forgotten about. I'll still play it, though, because I've been waiting on this class since the game first came out.

    It's funny that the two new jobs are considered OP this time. Last expansion, all three new jobs were considered weak compared to the old ones.

    Simple fact is that no one is ever happy.
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    Elara Almasombria
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    Sagittarius
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    Dark Knight Lv 90
    Quote Originally Posted by Ryaz View Post
    I'm pretty sure that soon enough, SAM will be the new MNK and get nerfed to be equal to the other DPS classes and then thrown away and forgotten about. I'll still play it, though, because I've been waiting on this class since the game first came out.

    It's funny that the two new jobs are considered OP this time. Last expansion, all three new jobs were considered weak compared to the old ones.

    Simple fact is that no one is ever happy.
    DRK was a good tank at release but Machinist and AST were in bad shape. Now SAM and RDM are outperforming more complex classes to play with no real reason for it (RDM also has good raid utility).
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    Kenrir Amnis
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    Sargatanas
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    Gunbreaker Lv 90
    Quote Originally Posted by Driavna View Post
    DRK was a good tank at release but Machinist and AST were in bad shape. Now SAM and RDM are outperforming more complex classes to play with no real reason for it (RDM also has good raid utility).
    Please explain? Having played Drg, Nin, Mnk (During ARR) at endgame I find none of these classes harder than the next, just different.

    Are any of you really looking at how inflated these parses are? These people literally do run after run, using damage buffs on one individual until the get a good parse number for a fight, then they do it for the next person. This is why I grew to hate Fflogs, making the 95% percentile look like some kind of verbatim dps number that people should be hitting with their classes but are these stupid, overinflated, ridiculous numbers that take more luck and group coordination to pull off than their own personal skill.
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    Last edited by Leonus; 07-03-2017 at 02:09 AM.

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    Galveira Vorfeed
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    Ragnarok
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    Pictomancer Lv 100
    Quote Originally Posted by Leonus View Post
    Are any of you really looking at how inflated these parses are? These people literally do run after run, using damage buffs on one individual until the get a good parse number for a fight, then they do it for the next person. This is why I grew to hate Fflogs, making the 95% percentile look like some kind of verbatim dps number that people should be hitting with their classes but are these stupid, overinflated, ridiculous numbers that take more luck and group coordination to pull off than their own personal skill.
    FFlogs has the "remove balance" filter now (two dps numbers for each parse now). You can sort them and get a more accurate picture (so, removing the padding).
    That said, nothing changes. You see a swarm of SAM on top, the occasional MNK, then a few NIN and lastly one or another RDM.
    Kinda disheartening, really...
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    Miru West
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    Behemoth
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    Monk Lv 70
    Quote Originally Posted by Galvuu View Post
    FFlogs has the "remove balance" filter now (two dps numbers for each parse now). You can sort them and get a more accurate picture (so, removing the padding).
    That said, nothing changes. You see a swarm of SAM on top, the occasional MNK, then a few NIN and lastly one or another RDM.
    Kinda disheartening, really...
    I mean clearly more people are playing SAM and RDM so there are going to be alot more parse of them trying to hit higher numbers. Take away balance and you see most classes in the high 3k range on Lakshmi and hell the highest damage without balance on Susano is a MNK.....
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    Kenrir Amnis
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    Sargatanas
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    Gunbreaker Lv 90
    Quote Originally Posted by Galvuu View Post
    FFlogs has the "remove balance" filter now (two dps numbers for each parse now). You can sort them and get a more accurate picture (so, removing the padding).
    That said, nothing changes. You see a swarm of SAM on top, the occasional MNK, then a few NIN and lastly one or another RDM.
    Kinda disheartening, really...
    Even with that said, if Sam is the highest DPS job, you should expect that Sam's are taking to top spots, if they aren't then they aren't the top personal dps job.
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    Viese Blanchimont
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    Ultros
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    Pugilist Lv 80
    I've only done a single run as Samurai in a dungeon, but I feel it is far easier to play than a Monk because you don't have to worry about chakras and stacks of Greased Lightning. Riddle of Fire is much more potent than even I believed it to be. Samurai's combo potency is just absurd though compared to the others.
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    Jezebeth Soulkeeper
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    Zodiark
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    Machinist Lv 70
    Sam. is extremly easy to play especialy compared to dam. out put.
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    Blake Bella'dona
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    Shiva
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    Samurai Lv 70
    Yeah when you're a 50 or 60 SAM you are right, but a SAM on 70 is more complex then you're think.
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