Paladin nerf INC

[Stanelis]

A single, guaranteed block of the cost of 50 gauge is a drop on a hot stone when dealing with trash groups in 4-mans. Might as well pop Bulwark for that. Or any other defensive cooldown that doesn't require gauge.

The whole point of sheltron against packs is to refresh MP. Sheltron is incredibly powerful now that magical damage can be blocked.

[Arrius]

The whole point of sheltron against packs is to refresh MP. Sheltron is incredibly powerful now that magical damage can be blocked.

Which is useless in trash situations, as what you will block is completely random.
Might be that quick medium damage punch from a tougher mob in the trash, or one of those autoattacking garlean mini spider things that hit for 600 damage.
In the latter case : Congrats, you blocked 120 damage with Sheltron.

You shouldn't have a problem with mana anymore in the first place with level 64's trait. - Nowadays you use Flash 2-3 times and then FnF + spam Total Eclipse for DPS.

[Stanelis]

Which is useless in trash situations, as what you will block is completely random.
Might be that quick medium damage punch from a tougher mob in the trash, or one of those autoattacking garlean mini spider things that hit for 600 damage.
In the latter case : Congrats, you blocked 120 damage with Sheltron.

You shouldn't have a problem with mana anymore in the first place with level 64's trait. - Nowadays you use Flash 2-3 times and then FnF + spam Total Eclipse for DPS.

As I already said but you don't seem to understand it, the purpose of shelltron if to gain MP in trashs situations. MP you can use on some clemency (to allow your healer to DPS) or just cast a few flashes (no, 2 or 3 aren't enough to hold aggro with eclipse if you have some heavy hitter in your group) and get back the MP in order to be ready for the next requiescat. Spamming total eclipse is fine but it doesn't mean you have to do only that.

Also, who seriously care about trashes in FFXIV ?

[Arrius]

As I already said but you don't seem to understand it, the purpose of shelltron if to gain MP in trashs situations. MP you can use on some clemency (to allow your healer to DPS) or just cast a few flashes (no, 2 or 3 aren't enough to hold aggro with eclipse if you have some heavy hitter in your group) and get back the MP in order to be ready for the next requiescat. Spamming total eclipse is fine but it doesn't mean you have to do only that.

Why do you want to use Clemency to heal yourself during trash fights?! Using Clemency or Holy Spirit makes you unable to block, parry and dodge during their cast time, they also ignore possible active cooldowns like Bulwark, Awareness and Sheltron to work.

You can't be serious casting them when having 8+ mobs hitting you. With the mentioned penalty above during casts, the damage you receive outweights by far the measly 9k heal of Clemency and the 4.5k nuke of Holy Spirit for 20 Gauge. But, sure, let those 8+ mobs with 4k auto attacks get in their free damage while you cast your fancy stuff. The healers will love it.

Also, Flash costs ~480 mana, on a ~7000 MP pool you have on level 70. So you can cast it 14 times in combat, tick regeneration not included. You shouldn't have any problems with mana unless you don't utilize it well.

[eagledorf]

A single, guaranteed block of the cost of 50 gauge is a drop on a hot stone when dealing with trash groups in 4-mans. Might as well pop Bulwark for that. Or any other defensive cooldown that doesn't require gauge.

Er, but it's free? It might be minor, but what else are you going to use that gauge on?

And as pointed out, the MP it generates isn't useless. If you use Sheltron, that means you'll have enough MP to Flash at the next pack even if you do 5x HS at the very end of the pull. Two Sheltron and you gain a Clemency if your healer wants to DPS.

the damage you receive outweights by far the measly 9k heal of Clemency

No.

I have a 30% block rate and 24% block amount so block only reduces damage by 7%. That's inflated by Bulwark so my natural block rate is probably even lower. Meanwhile, my parry rate is about 5% and not worth much at all.

I don't know what is up with your Clemency, but mine heals for 12-17k. In order for block to be more valuable than Clemency, you need to be taking 170,000 damage in 1.5 seconds. Even with your weaker Clemency you need to take 130,000 damage in 1.5 seconds. That would be literally impossible to heal through so clearly you're talking out your a$$.

The only time Clemency is worse than blocking is something like a tank buster that will one-shot you if you are casting, then you need to cancel your cast so you can block.

[Arrius]

Er, but it's free? It might be minor, but what else are you going to use that gauge on?

Exactly. PLD's need more dungeon friendly uses on their gauge, instead of making the abilities work in trials/alliances.
Giving Sheltron block charges could make it useful, and when you get to consume them all, you get a HS to cast instantly for a short time.

[AlexSag]

I just watched a video of a SAM doing a 45k crit followed by a 35K direct hit, and read through half a dozen threads about tanks doing less damage because of the change to str only in our damage calculation. Based on that l, PLD absolutely doesn't not need to be nerfed. WAR and DRK need to be buffed. WAR should probably always sit in top in terms of tank dps, especially since they've killed a fair amount of the jobs utility. Threads need to focus more on fixing the other jobs and less on bashing a job that's just now come into its own. People can argue that PLD was on top in ARR but wasn't anywhere near as much fun to play as it is now.

[VargasVermillion]

Exactly. PLD's need more dungeon friendly uses on their gauge, instead of making the abilities work in trials/alliances.
Giving Sheltron block charges could make it useful, and when you get to consume them all, you get a HS to cast instantly for a short time.

Trash barely means anything, why go through the effort of rebalancing class specifically for them? When (which is actually never) SE make interesting trash for dungeons then you can complain about this kind of stuff.

[Jim_Berry]

Not going to happen. Some fixs for WAR, a fix on accessories for all tanks iswhats to come. Let PLD be relavent. I stuck with them through HW. Give us our time to shine

This!

I was PLD in ARR. I even struggled to get a group when Gordias was a thing. Leave my PLD alone.

[Jim_Berry]

As I already said but you don't seem to understand it, the purpose of shelltron if to gain MP in trashs situations. MP you can use on some clemency (to allow your healer to DPS) or just cast a few flashes (no, 2 or 3 aren't enough to hold aggro with eclipse if you have some heavy hitter in your group) and get back the MP in order to be ready for the next requiescat. Spamming total eclipse is fine but it doesn't mean you have to do only that.

Also, who seriously care about trashes in FFXIV ?

As a PLD who is no stranger to using Clemency, I agree with you. We don't have Requiescat just for show.