Paladin nerf INC

[Pinkie_Pie]

They are pulling even or MORE then a warrior, they also bring more then a warrior and lawl to drks, they aren't doing so well, they have been left in the dust.

fflogs has them posted, the proof everyone.


I don't see paladins lasting long like this.

[Sunako]

Highest warrior parse is right now 3198.8 and pld 3200.5 both players are in the same team and same balance rate. Dps actually seems pretty similar, pld may just lot easier play.

[Marxam]

Highest warrior parse is right now 3198.8 and pld 3200.5 both players are in the same team and same balance rate. Dps actually seems pretty similar, pld may just lot easier play.

yeah when the numbers are that close it doesn't bother me. What does bother me is the discrepancy in raid utility. PLD far outweighs WAR in that regard. WAR really only brings the slashing debuff but every raid comp has a nin so that is out of the question. I can see why PLD would be nerfed. In almost all scenarios it beats out the other two tanks. It's literally a repeat of 2.0 launch and double PLD is a viable option. I do hope that they bring up the other two tanks instead of bringing PLD down because PLD finally achieved the perfect theme and gameplay of what it's job represents. Though I wonder how they will bring WAR up to par when we got no defensive cds in the expansion.

[Cadmus]

Highest warrior parse is right now 3198.8 and pld 3200.5 both players are in the same team and same balance rate. Dps actually seems pretty similar, pld may just lot easier play.

Btw Paladin's still parse lower than warrs when solo on dummies. But Warr + PLD means the PLD gets slashing debuff on target, so that's why it's more even in actual comps.

[Tila]

Btw Paladin's still parse lower than warrs when solo on dummies. But Warr + PLD means the PLD gets slashing debuff on target, so that's why it's more even in actual comps.

Since NIN and SAM both also give this buff we can pretty much assume PLD will always have it even with no WAR. Likewise, in an actual fight, PLD can more reliably pull off high DPS numbers while WAR can be fucked by one poorly timed transition.

[Omni-Vocational_Ryan]

alright, let's break this down. (and watch SE ban this account for using sources.)
https://www.fflogs.com/reports/7JrPc...pe=damage-done

this fight is done in 6 minutes with every role doing 97 or higher so you have less time to suffer damage fall off from extending the fight and if you look at the crit rate for war vs pld the war's crits are 10-20% higher on their skills which may explain this outliner from the general trend we can see forming.

Now let's look at the fall off in the rankings

https://www.fflogs.com/rankings/15#b...l&spec=Paladin
here's paladin and everyone from rank 11 and up is breaking 3k dps(which is quite high)

https://www.fflogs.com/rankings/15#b...l&spec=Warrior
now here's war who everyone outside of rank 1 is below 3k dps

now let's compare rank by rank (pld-war)
Rank 2: 3195.7 -2,962.4 = 197.3
Rank 3: 3177.4 -2,961.4 = 216
Rank 4: 3,113.9 -2,943.8 = 190.1
Rank 5: 3,112.3 -2,932.1 = 180.2
Rank 6: 3,099.0- 2,906.0 = 193
Rank 7: 3,088.4 - 2,885.6 = 202.8
Rank 8: 3,077.4 - 2,883.2 = 194.2
Rank 9: 3,067.7 - 2,869.0 = 198.7
Rank 10: 3,012.9- 2,855.7= 157.2

you get the picture, there's a 150+ dps difference between pld and war, there's no reward for playing a more complex tank when the simple 6 button 1 button spell spam class outdpses you by 150 or more and loses 0 defensive capabilities from doing so unlike war who if they need to grab something and tank it they take a dps hit or loss access to more hp/healing, a self heal and inner beast.

Pld simply has no downside to anything it does which is why it is a broken class atm, the only punishment they get is their oath halved on oath swapping, which isn't even needed as the parses show.

[Xenosan]

Hoping they bring DRK/WAR up to the level and not just bringing PLD down

[konpachizaraki]

i rather see them buff WAR to their 3.x level than go to nerfing city

[eagledorf]

I mean, the top number for Lakshimi is a WAR. WAR nerfs incoming?

It looks like DPS-wise they've done a good job with the tanks. In terms of OT utility PLD might be slightly too strong, but DRK is in an OK place as well. WAR's utility sadly rests on buffing SCH with Defiance and SCH is garbage-tier right now so WAR is not in a great place utility-wise. In raids SCH might make a bit of a comeback so maybe WAR utility will also recover, but it is somewhat stupid design that WAR buffs SCH and not other healers.

In terms of DPS, NIN and SAM are looking like they might need a nerf. SAM parsing 10% higher than anybody else is too much, no party utility makes up for that. NIN is parsing together with MNK and BRD while bringing Trick Attack, which is also clearly too much.

[Oxino]

Why nerfing PLD and why the dps? The numbers are very close.

This is not what people are complaining about.
WAR need better mechanics and enmity tools.

(or i don't understand anything anymore )