Consolidated Scholar 4.0 Feedback Thread

[Starflake]

Let's remember in these discussions that the skill and gear level of the tank you're paired with has a huge impact on the dungeon experience. Some tanks neglect their CDs and positioning to the point where you literally don't have enough cooldowns to save them, while other tanks pulling the same train make it perfectly manageable, assuming that the healer also knows what to do.

I'm with a well geared experienced tank. So I am talking from the best possible conditions to pull these large packs. I've done them on WHM too and the difference between the two classes is incredibly obvious. You contribute a lot more as a WHM and your raw healing potential is far greater. It's actually a bit of a struggle to keep tanks alive as a Scholar on huge packs, no matter what tank. But I cope. However, this does not mean, that because Scholar can do it, that it should be normalized, or treated as if it's fine. It clearly isn't. I'd also like to point out that I have done these dungeons many time, as I have been using them to level. I've had big packs pulled each time, so I am very used to it. The tank died once in hours of gameplay simply because I had no stacks or recourses left as the aoe damage was incredibly low.

It's unfair for Scholar to have weaker raw healing AND DPS than it's counterpart healers.

[DanicaCeleste]

I'm with a well geared experienced tank. So I am talking from the best possible conditions to pull these large packs. I've done them on WHM too and the difference between the two classes is incredibly. You contribute a lot more as a WHM and your raw healing potential is far greater. It's actually a bit of a struggle to keep tanks alive as a Scholar on huge packs, no matter what tank. But I cope. However, this does not mean, that because Scholar can do it, that it should be normalized, or treated as if it's fine. It clearly isn't.

This. Completely.

[Cynfael]

I'm with a well geared experienced tank. So I am talking from the best possible conditions to pull these large packs. I've done them on WHM too and the difference between the two classes is incredibly obvious. You contribute a lot more as a WHM and your raw healing potential is far greater. It's actually a bit of a struggle to keep tanks alive as a Scholar on huge packs, no matter what tank. But I cope. However, this does not mean, that because Scholar can do it, that it should be normalized, or treated as if it's fine. It clearly isn't. I'd also like to point out that I have done these dungeons many time, as I have been using them to level. I've had big packs pulled each time, so I am very used to it. The tank died once in hours of gameplay simply because I had no stacks or recourses left as the aoe damage was incredibly low.

It's unfair for Scholar to have weaker raw healing AND DPS than it's counterpart healers.

I think you might have misconstrued the gist of my post. It wasn't a response to you in particular; rather I agree more with your side of the argument. I'm just pointing out one of the factors that contributes to players having vastly differing opinions on how effectively or how smoothly X healer operates.

For example, I could base my assessment of SCH on how it performs in groups where the tank is skilled and everything generally goes well, but even in the best case scenario I would point out that AST at least equals and mostly surpasses its capabilities in most areas other than single-target damage.