Thread: Consolidated Scholar 4.0 Feedback Thread

I don't need the healing buffed, MP is fine when Lucid is used on cooldown, at this point I don't even mind getting skills I don't use on max level anymore.
But please give us some damage back, there is no sense in i.e. Aero III alone being stronger than our dots baned with our most precious recource on multiple targets.

Originally Posted by VallariaEllethwen

Please stop posting and saying Scholar is strong in 4.0 when it got literally nothing but nerfs and is a fraction of what it was. Those saying they love Scholar at seventy are oblivious. So I compiled a list of facts of the state of Scholar right now and possible fixes. Don't reply to this and complain about one specific point I made. Just read it and become aware of Scholar's state.

https://docs.google.com/document/d/1...it?usp=sharing

Not even 70 and not able to understand how strong chain strategem is.
This game isnt all about Dungeons & AoE Dmg. (But yea i admit non existent AoE makes dungeons boring)


Scholar is fine for raids and pretty much still the go to. Mana-Management is by far no problem.
Shadowflare is awesome how it is, especially for fights where the bosses disappear/need to be moved very often.(Its even stronger if you count in that you can broil 2 times instead of wasting gcd to cast shadowflare)
Embrace scale way differently than our normal heals. Embrace is still strong, and its free compared to the hots from ast/whm.
Adlo -> since MP isn't an issue... why reverting it? It should be used for tbs and hard hitting aoe (spread) not as just a better heal than physic.

This doc is just a pile of bullshit... its just a "mimimi make my class op plx" of someone who doesn't knew how to play Scholar befor Stormblood anyway.

Originally Posted by Riyshn

I hate that people keep making the Embrace=Regen comparison. It's really not equivalent. Yeah, it's free. This makes up for SCH having generally lower healing potencies at higher costs than the other healers. It is not however, a true replacement for a regen. The key difference being that you can have more than 1 regen going on more than 1 person at a time. The only thing SCH has that fits this is Whispering Dawn, which is gated being a ~30% uptime and at the whims of the pet AI.

Oh, yea... because WHM/AST are useing regen on every target they can get.
Also you forgot Fey Covenant and Fey Illumation if you want to compare it that way.

Originally Posted by Riyshn

Adlo MP is most definitely an issue. I imagine it will get better as ilvl increases with Piety now being apparently a bigger healer thing, but at the moment, at least while leveling, it literally costs more than Aetherflow returns. Our core mechanic costs more than our built-in MP management tool gives us. This is not acceptable.

It is, just accept that you have to make use of lucid dreaming. And Adlo isnt the core mechanic of Scholar.

Originally Posted by Amaret

Oh, yea... because WHM/AST are useing regen on every target they can get.
Also you forgot Fey Covenant and Fey Illumation if you want to compare it that way.

Not every target possible, no, but both tanks and maybe a DPS who just got hit by a mech? And at the same time? Yes.
Ah, I assume you're referring to Inferior Bole and Unreliable Mantra?
(EDIT: Rechecked numbers, "Inferior Bole" is slightly unfair; different use cases. Bole is 20% or 10% AoE and works for all damage, FC is 20% AoE but only works for magic.)

It is, just accept that you have to make use of lucid dreaming. And Adlo isnt the core mechanic of Scholar.

It... is, actually. Until AST got overbuffed because reasons, SCH's defining thing was the shields. Which I suppose you're right, the core mechanic is Aetherflow, not Adlo. So I'll revise: Our MP management skill (Which also happens to be our core mechanic) is no longer enough to cover the cost of our defining skill.

I will accept that that is what SE has decided to do to the job, and I have no direct power to change it. That does not mean I will be happy about it or stop trying to make a case that it was a mistake.