Consolidated Scholar 4.0 Feedback Thread

[Starflake]

Unpopular opinion time.

Fine is a vague and useless term. 3.0 PLD was also fine for tanking. Doesn't mean that is was actually good enough. Healing is not fine in comparison to other healers. The difference between WHM, AST and SCH is astonishing. It takes way more effort to keep tanks up in dungeons and also in raid on a Scholar. It does not have the same good raw healing. Just to demonstrate the difference in my experiences between leveling WHM and SCH. With random tanks pulling everything, on WHM, no problem, could even holy and DPS a whole lot. With Scholar, I can't even start Broiling without having to spam Lustrate. Good luck keeping the tank alive by not spamming Adloquim. He will die. All the Rouse and stacks won't save you in the longer run.

To add to your list, AoE damage needs to be adjusted asap. It's terrible at the moment.

[DanicaCeleste]

I don't see why the fairy got nerfed, there was absolutely no reason for this. Are they pushing people to play AST? Seeing as you need a 50 to play AST are they hoping people will spend money on the boosts? I don't know...regardless, SCH was my first main Job and although I have flittered around with different healer classes, I am extremely tempted to just go and level an AST. I don't WANT to play an AST, but it's a case of 'what can perform better in raids etc'.
At LEAST buff the potency of Adlo to make up for the MP cost if nothing else. I tried to defend these changes and also defend changes to other classes that friends have grievances about but saying 'no one likes change, practice makes perfect' etc.
No class should be 'better than the other', especially within its own job roles. Otherwise what's the point of even having other jobs to choose from?

[Deox]

Sorry I can't relate I've had zero issues healing tanks mass pulling and 0 issues keeping the party up in exs.

You do not need to spam adlo that is wrong.

Complaining about having to use lustrate is silly as well that's one of the sch main healing tools.

For massive trash pulls I open with adlo while they are about to grab stuff, when we get to the destination, eye for an eye rouse, fairy aoe heal for regen, toss excog on, fairy tether apply dots spread shadowflare then physick with lustrate when needed. If they start to dip low I'll do a emergency adlo into lustrate.

Literally 0 issues keeping tanks alive and 0 issues with mana.

If you are running out of mp from succor time your indom and fairy aoe heals better.

[Starflake]

Sorry I can't relate I've had zero issues healing tanks mass pulling and 0 issues keeping the party up in exs.


Complaining about having to use lustrate is silly as well that's one of the sch main healing tools.

For massive trash pulls I open with adlo while they are about to grab stuff, when we get to the destination, eye for an eye rouse, fairy aoe heal for regen, toss excog on, fairy tether apply dots spread shadowflare then physick with lustrate when needed. If they start to dip low I'll do a emergency adlo into lustrate.

Literally 0 issues keeping tanks alive and 0 issues with mana.

If you are running out of mp from succor time your indom and fairy aoe heals better.

Record yourself doing the level 67 dungeon where the tank pulls everything after clearing the first two packs just using physick. I also open with Adlo, a near 10 cridlo lasts a good four seconds. Just enough time to Bane. Excog a slightly better Lustrate, it rarely helps over Lustrate itself. Nobody is also saying or complaining about Lustrate usage. Keep the strawman arguments at bay. I cleared each tier of Savage, I'm a very experienced healer. I like to DPS as a healer, which you can't do nearly as well as you can on AST or WHM. I never run out of MP, I never said MP was an issue, but you will be spamming Adlo. But alright, I challenge you to record the pull I am talking about. Because I use Rouse, I divine seal my adlo with EoS healing buff, I use Excog and you will be spamming heals for the life of you.

I use all the tools you do, but probably with a better, more experienced tank. You have to work twice as hard as a Scholar with half the damage you can output, even less. And since you do less damage, the mobs die slower, which makes you have to heal more damage. There are glaring issues with Scholar.

[Cynfael]

Let's remember in these discussions that the skill and gear level of the tank you're paired with has a huge impact on the dungeon experience. Some tanks neglect their CDs and positioning to the point where you literally don't have enough cooldowns to save them, while other tanks pulling the same train make it perfectly manageable, assuming that the healer also knows what to do.

[DanicaCeleste]

Not to mention that using damage mit skills, to mit damage is essentially what SCH was all about. Having to limit uses on them is in theory, a bit stupid.

[Starflake]

Let's remember in these discussions that the skill and gear level of the tank you're paired with has a huge impact on the dungeon experience. Some tanks neglect their CDs and positioning to the point where you literally don't have enough cooldowns to save them, while other tanks pulling the same train make it perfectly manageable, assuming that the healer also knows what to do.

I'm with a well geared experienced tank. So I am talking from the best possible conditions to pull these large packs. I've done them on WHM too and the difference between the two classes is incredibly obvious. You contribute a lot more as a WHM and your raw healing potential is far greater. It's actually a bit of a struggle to keep tanks alive as a Scholar on huge packs, no matter what tank. But I cope. However, this does not mean, that because Scholar can do it, that it should be normalized, or treated as if it's fine. It clearly isn't. I'd also like to point out that I have done these dungeons many time, as I have been using them to level. I've had big packs pulled each time, so I am very used to it. The tank died once in hours of gameplay simply because I had no stacks or recourses left as the aoe damage was incredibly low.

It's unfair for Scholar to have weaker raw healing AND DPS than it's counterpart healers.

[DanicaCeleste]

I'm with a well geared experienced tank. So I am talking from the best possible conditions to pull these large packs. I've done them on WHM too and the difference between the two classes is incredibly. You contribute a lot more as a WHM and your raw healing potential is far greater. It's actually a bit of a struggle to keep tanks alive as a Scholar on huge packs, no matter what tank. But I cope. However, this does not mean, that because Scholar can do it, that it should be normalized, or treated as if it's fine. It clearly isn't.

This. Completely.

[Emitans]

Sorry I can't relate I've had zero issues healing tanks mass pulling and 0 issues keeping the party up in exs.

You do not need to spam adlo that is wrong.

Complaining about having to use lustrate is silly as well that's one of the sch main healing tools.

For massive trash pulls I open with adlo while they are about to grab stuff, when we get to the destination, eye for an eye rouse, fairy aoe heal for regen, toss excog on, fairy tether apply dots spread shadowflare then physick with lustrate when needed. If they start to dip low I'll do a emergency adlo into lustrate.

Literally 0 issues keeping tanks alive and 0 issues with mana.

If you are running out of mp from succor time your indom and fairy aoe heals better.

In dungeons sometimes Physick spam plus Lustrates aren't enough and I don't know what to do other than spend mana on Adloquiums. Is my tank just bad/undergeared?

EDIT: Jeez I've been 70 for a while, when is my forums profile going to update?

[PK_THUNER]

Excogitation is bad, i mean BAD, taking 1 aetherflow stack for a heal that only works when your ally's HP goes under 50% and only lasts 30 seconds (oh yes, you cant use it on yourself)... there is no point on casting it for a CHANCE of triggering it since it not guaranteed that the HP of your ally is going down during that time, if it doesnt you just wasted an aetherflow stack...

It works fine if you get paired up with a str tank.