Thread: Consolidated Scholar 4.0 Feedback Thread

Originally Posted by Miles_Maelstrom

You know what needs a change. Shadow Flare and Sacred Soil cancelling each other. When we had a 100% upkeep on Shadow Flare it made sense, because it was trading offense for Defense. Now that it is a CD there is no need for this anymore.

This right here.

I think it needs just a good old scrub. Healing potency seems irregular, the old dps abilities feel less than what they were, it over all feels completely underwhelming. As I started to level closer to seventy it started really showing up that it has some issues with the potency of healing and dmg.

If you think about it when you are pulling mobs, you shield heal and then you help mow down the mobs to reduce damage and overall have to shield heal less. Now I find situations because I cannot fill a Dps gap my heals are underwhelming causing long drawn out battles to really wear down my mp and my ability to keep the team up.

I think it's absolutely ridiculous that AST can provide stronger shields than SCH. When you look at the crazy utility ASTs have it simply isn't reasonable to also give them stronger shields than the class that is known for it's mitigation. Adlo's Shield should be on par with AST shield. Especially when you consider that Aspected Benefic is instant cast.

Still, I have Lakshmi Ex and Susano Ex on farm with SCH in all pugs and it feels great to me. Those of us who have been playing SCH forever tend to overlook just how good the Job is. It was the king of 3.x heals and it still rocks. It just needs a little tweaking, not a major overhaul.

The only time SCH struggles is when a tank tries to do a big pull in a dungeon and you're forced to burn through your aether stacks with lustrates.

Originally Posted by Ringabell

The only time SCH struggles is when a tank tries to do a big pull in a dungeon and you're forced to burn through your aether stacks with lustrates.

Worth mentioning that a part of why this may even be a problem in the first place is because our AoE DPS has been absolutely gutted. Before 4.0 Sch AoE DPS significantly reduced the time it took to clear a pack and when the pack dies faster you don't have to heal as much. Even in old HW dungeons if your tank grabbed a giant pull and your two DPS were terrible...things could go downhill quickly if not enough things died before the tank's better cooldowns went away. Part of Scholar's healing issues in dungeons could be in part because of the increased kill speed because of Scholar's atrocious AoE DPS now.

Originally Posted by Supersun

Worth mentioning that a part of why this may even be a problem in the first place is because our AoE DPS has been absolutely gutted. Before 4.0 Sch AoE DPS significantly reduced the time it took to clear a pack and when the pack dies faster you don't have to heal as much. Even in old HW dungeons if your tank grabbed a giant pull and your two DPS were terrible...things could go downhill quickly if not enough things died before the tank's better cooldowns went away. Part of Scholar's healing issues in dungeons could be in part because of the increased kill speed because of Scholar's atrocious AoE DPS now.

Also that the increased Adlo cost and decreased Aetherflow restore means that we need those stacks for Energy Drain to keep up with MP. Lustrate is our most efficient single heal, yes, but I could get 200p more out of that 1200MP if I had the time to use the stack for Energy Drain and 2x Physick.

Originally Posted by Supersun

Worth mentioning that a part of why this may even be a problem in the first place is because our AoE DPS has been absolutely gutted. Before 4.0 Sch AoE DPS significantly reduced the time it took to clear a pack and when the pack dies faster you don't have to heal as much. Even in old HW dungeons if your tank grabbed a giant pull and your two DPS were terrible...things could go downhill quickly if not enough things died before the tank's better cooldowns went away. Part of Scholar's healing issues in dungeons could be in part because of the increased kill speed because of Scholar's atrocious AoE DPS now.

Disagree completely. SE/Yoshida have said multiple times that 4man dungeon content is not designed and balanced around tanks and healers dpsing too.

Furthermore, the Sch can heal all the dungeons just fine. I have not tried the EX fights yet on scholar but they heal the regular primal fights just fine too. There are issues to be sure, but their dps is not really one of them.