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    Player
    MsTanya's Avatar
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    Tanya Fierlaine
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    Gilgamesh
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    Scholar Lv 90
    It made me sad that I could only upvote you once arch...lol
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    Lyndina's Avatar
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    Character
    Lucie Bonney
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    Shiva
    Main Class
    Astrologian Lv 100
    Couldnt agree more, Scholar is my main class so im running dungeons right now with this. Whenever i got lucky and get a tank that decides to pull everything at once,or more than one trashpack it gets stressy. As many said,lustrate is really the only thing that can save your tank when a ton of damage comes out. Running out of aetherflow? Yeah..have fun spamming physicks like a maniac until you have aetherflow ready. Thats your idea of fun SE? Or even balancing. Of course,i could change to another class,but do i want to? No, because thats how i want to play. I dont wanna hop onto the bandwagon to change to a AST. Seriously concidering not renewing my subscription because of this.
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    Lildragora's Avatar
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    Lillian Mandragora
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    Leviathan
    Main Class
    White Mage Lv 70
    You have 3 healers SE, Pure Healer, Mitigation Healer, and a buff Healer. Treat them as such, lest you loose more of my confidence in your ability to create a experience I want to experience. This whole expansion while having a great set of good things has ultimately made me question if this is a game I want to follow for years or maybe just ride a bit longer.

    In my opinion WHM should hands down be able to output more hps than anything, SCH should easily be able to mitigate damage and use the BAKED IN DPS CLASS abilities EFFICIENTLY, AST should be able to comparably heal or shield but not be as up to par in either while providing powerful party utilities. Let them specialize how they are supposed to. As for the DPS on the other two, WHM and AST I feel thats fine just give sch a trait to undo that terrible idea of a bane nerf.

    As I said before on the forums, everything I want to complain about SCH has been said. At this point im just continuously expressing dissatisfaction from i270 to now i314. Just not a fun experience playing my main of 2.x to current 4.0.
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    Player
    Lyndina's Avatar
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    Lucie Bonney
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    Shiva
    Main Class
    Astrologian Lv 100
    Yeah my thoughts exactly Lidragora. Im pretty new to the game (allthough registered since oct 2014), so i started a months ago again with a fresh character, cause i wanted to have a game that i can sink my time into. Until 70 i said to myself. "Well,think at 70 my class would perform better". But then it hit me like a train, im at a 309 Itemlevel (which istn high,undoubtly) but nothing changed...the same struggle keeping Tanks alive like the leveling dungeons. The main mechanic doesnt work...shielding...so im stuck with spamming physics...which undoubtly sucks in comparison to the other classes. So...what now? I dont know, as i said i wanted to find a game in which i spend my time. Final fantasy was perfect for it, but now everyday i log in i have my doubts. When the Developers cant even balance 3! Healing classes, what could i expect for the future of the game? Played Wow for 10 Years straight,never have i seen such an inbalance inbetween heal classes. Every Role hat its purpose.
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    Feidam's Avatar
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    Character
    Aenn Do'chas
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    Coeurl
    Main Class
    Summoner Lv 90
    The scholar has it's issues but so far I have been successful in healing everything I've attempted. I have not healed any extremes as I am dps for them but the class feels a lot like scholar when the ARR launched in terms of healing. I've had zero mana issues so far and the only real bane has been tanks that think they are dps and don't use cooldowns or tank stance.

    Fey union either shines or dies in a fire. Definitely needs some love. With fey union in mind dissipation makes zero sense.

    A buff to our shield potencies will alleviate a good bit of stress for some scholars I think too.

    Excog has it's uses but seems too limited from a fun standpoint.

    Micromanaging the fairy is definitely a must imo. Which I've always done anyway.

    If they leave our heal potencies where they are a cooldown reduction on emergency tactics would be nice.

    The Adlo mp cost is manageable but seems excessive. Same for succor.

    Also, I know most view sacred soil as a waste of an aetherflow but I find it to be invaluable. The slow from shadow flare helps too when placed at the right times.

    Also, as a side not I'm a little salty over the Ast shielding potencies. I mean wth.
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    Last edited by Feidam; 06-30-2017 at 05:52 AM.

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    Player Miles_Maelstrom's Avatar
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    Miles Maelstrom
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    Gilgamesh
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    Scholar Lv 80
    Quote Originally Posted by Feidam View Post
    . . .

    Also, I know most view sacred soil as a waste of an aetherflow but I find it to be invaluable. The slow from shadow flare helps too when placed at the right times.

    Also, as a side not I'm a little salty over the Ast shielding potencies. I mean wth.
    You know what needs a change. Shadow Flare and Sacred Soil cancelling each other. When we had a 100% upkeep on Shadow Flare it made sense, because it was trading offense for Defense. Now that it is a CD there is no need for this anymore.
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    Last edited by Miles_Maelstrom; 06-30-2017 at 10:14 AM.

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    Lillian Mandragora
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    Leviathan
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    White Mage Lv 70
    Quote Originally Posted by Miles_Maelstrom View Post
    You know what needs a change. Shadow Flare and Sacred Soil cancelling each other. When we had a 100% upkeep on Shadow Flare it made sense, because it was trading offense for Defense. Now that it is a CD there is no need for this anymore.
    This right here.
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    Zephanoa's Avatar
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    Character
    Vaeldus Lunarys
    World
    Ultros
    Main Class
    Warrior Lv 90
    I think it needs just a good old scrub. Healing potency seems irregular, the old dps abilities feel less than what they were, it over all feels completely underwhelming. As I started to level closer to seventy it started really showing up that it has some issues with the potency of healing and dmg.

    If you think about it when you are pulling mobs, you shield heal and then you help mow down the mobs to reduce damage and overall have to shield heal less. Now I find situations because I cannot fill a Dps gap my heals are underwhelming causing long drawn out battles to really wear down my mp and my ability to keep the team up.
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    Sidney Dawnbreaker
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    Cactuar
    Main Class
    Scholar Lv 74
    I think it's absolutely ridiculous that AST can provide stronger shields than SCH. When you look at the crazy utility ASTs have it simply isn't reasonable to also give them stronger shields than the class that is known for it's mitigation. Adlo's Shield should be on par with AST shield. Especially when you consider that Aspected Benefic is instant cast.

    Still, I have Lakshmi Ex and Susano Ex on farm with SCH in all pugs and it feels great to me. Those of us who have been playing SCH forever tend to overlook just how good the Job is. It was the king of 3.x heals and it still rocks. It just needs a little tweaking, not a major overhaul.

    The only time SCH struggles is when a tank tries to do a big pull in a dungeon and you're forced to burn through your aether stacks with lustrates.
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    Freja Reginleif
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    Odin
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    Ninja Lv 90
    Quote Originally Posted by Ringabell View Post
    I think it's absolutely ridiculous that AST can provide stronger shields than SCH. When you look at the crazy utility ASTs have it simply isn't reasonable to also give them stronger shields than the class that is known for it's mitigation. Adlo's Shield should be on par with AST shield. Especially when you consider that Aspected Benefic is instant cast.

    Still, I have Lakshmi Ex and Susano Ex on farm with SCH in all pugs and it feels great to me. Those of us who have been playing SCH forever tend to overlook just how good the Job is. It was the king of 3.x heals and it still rocks. It just needs a little tweaking, not a major overhaul.

    The only time SCH struggles is when a tank tries to do a big pull in a dungeon and you're forced to burn through your aether stacks with lustrates.
    What it needs to be is better. Here are some of the things that I suggest:

    - Make Broil I 230 potency and let Broil II coexist as a 100 potency AoE move.
    - Chain Strategem should last 20 seconds instead of 15.
    - Excog should not cost an Aetherflow stack, but should be put in a longer two or three minute cooldown.
    - Adlo and Succor MP cost reduced again or the potencies buffed slightly.
    - Bane should not be nerfed as heavily, especially considering we only bane two dots only.
    - Fey Union should have a bigger range.
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    Last edited by Starflake; 06-30-2017 at 05:40 PM.

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