Consolidated White Mage 4.0 Feedback Thread

[Xinthia]

My Ideas for White Mage changes:

DPS:

-Aero resets your Aero III on the target

-Stone returns MP% if your target is afflicted w/ Aero/Aero III

(This would give WHM's DPS longevity)

Healing/Util:

-Make a single target water based ability that heals a target and increases their total health by 10% or more, lasting at least 10 seconds with a fairly short cd (30-45 seconds).

-Make a wide, water based (channeled?) aoe that increases and heals the party's health by 10% for 10-15 seconds. If the effect lasts until it's end, have it replenish 10%-15% of the group MP and TP. Would have a Long CD (maybe 300 seconds).


The new healing spells would provide good replacement for Stoneskin as that's not only unique but could stack with the damage reducing abilities the other healers have. And the group ability would totally complement the shield bubbles the other two healers have as well as a great tool to provide extra resources.

[SuzakuCMX]

I truly believe at this point Yoshi needs to be replaced. Broken PLD. Broken WAR. Broken BRD. Broken AST. Broken DRK. Now completely dead WHM. See a pattern here? Why are jobs consistently being broken? Why can't they seem to manage and even out the jobs? Why is this such a problem for them? It's always majorly break a few and boost others through the roof. There is no middle ground with them.

You blow this out of proportion lol. None of those jobs were "majorly broken." They were always viable and were only ever being left out of world-first progression because they lacked 5%-10% DPS on other jobs, not because they couldn't clear content. WHM isn't dead, you haven't played it yet and we don't even know the finished tooltips yet and even then the tooltips we had didn't kill it you people are just complete drama queens.

When was BRD broken? You mean that one month when it lacked the 10% boost from Wanderer's Minuet that got fixed the next patch and it was immediately made into a fucking DPS god that got brought into all progression groups? Same story with MCH? And AST? And WAR? And now is probably gonna happen with PLD? If anything this suggests that if WHM is "dead" it's going to be really fucking good in 4.1 so I don't understand why you're whining so hard about this game's balancing considering all of the jobs are able to do progression content on the same patch if the player is good enough.

[Elamys]

You blow this out of proportion lol. None of those jobs were "majorly broken." They were always viable and were only ever being left out of world-first progression because they lacked 5%-10% DPS on other jobs, not because they couldn't clear content. WHM isn't dead, you haven't played it yet and we don't even know the finished tooltips yet and even then the tooltips we had didn't kill it you people are just complete drama queens.

Unfortunately, players who raid at a level of "just under super hardcore" all the way down to casual for some reason think that if they act like the cutting edge people, they will actually be cutting edge, which is why we have these problems 99% of the time. Literally any combo of healer, tank, and DPS (with the obvious exception of double classes) is going to work for progression raiding. Unless you're actually raiding at the bleeding edge, don't complain that your favorite class isn't going to be brought for bleeding edge...and bleeding edge raiders don't stick with one class in the first place.

[Zojha]

[...] not because they couldn't clear content.

If "clearing content" is all you're concerned with...
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=qOHZBr4u7yk

It's "viable". I'm not sure if it will still be possible come Stormblood or if you're gonna be forced into jobs, but if it's still possible, please do not complain if people in your group don't unlock their job. Even Savage content can be cleared in classes and it's perfectly viable.

[Elamys]

An organized group of raiders doing something as classes is not the same as some rando queueing into a dungeon or 24 man who hasn't unlocked their job and doesn't know how the game works.

[Nyghtmarerobu]

I truly believe at this point Yoshi needs to be replaced. Broken PLD. Broken WAR. Broken BRD. Broken AST. Broken DRK. Now completely dead WHM. See a pattern here? Why are jobs consistently being broken? Why can't they seem to manage and even out the jobs? Why is this such a problem for them? It's always majorly break a few and boost others through the roof. There is no middle ground with them.

Bring the Salt level down a few pegs and come back when you can see straight alright? This behavior doesn't change or fix any of the problems listed in the thread, nor does it make you look any less pathetic..

FIX MY JOB OR RIOT!!

Not an actual quote, but this is pretty much how you sound...

[SuzakuCMX]

If "clearing content" is all you're concerned with...
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=qOHZBr4u7yk

It's "viable". I'm not sure if it will still be possible come Stormblood or if you're gonna be forced into jobs, but if it's still possible, please do not complain if people in your group don't unlock their job. Even Savage content can be cleared in classes and it's perfectly viable.

I don't understand why you're whining so hard about this game's balancing considering all of the jobs are able to do progression content on the same patch if the player is good enough.

:thinking:

Edit because I don't think you understand: that fight came out in September/October and released i260/270 upgrade gear that patch. By April you could get i280 Weapons from Diadem and i265 gear easily from Diadem and farm i270 upgrade tokens weekly from the Void Ark.

Edit 2: At any rate are you arguing that the 5-10% in DPS that the jobs differ does or doesn't matter? Cuz if the classes can clear fine then it doesn't matter, which you just provided proof for, which renders the argument that jobs are "broken and need balancing useless...." and if you're trying to argue that it DOES matter then....you're doing a bad job of it by providing proof that it doesn't matter by posting that video......so I don't understand why you quoted me

[Kethic]

I suspect the answer to WHM complaints will be "wait until the raid is on duty finder", which is frankly, unacceptable. But it's also the answer I expect.

[Ceasaria]

People are not stupid, of course.
We can analyze jobs changes without playing, but the best feedback we can give to Yoshi is when we could play the job in every content, many times.

[Zojha]

Edit because I don't think you understand: that fight came out in September/October and released i260/270 upgrade gear that patch. By April you could get i280 Weapons from Diadem and i265 gear easily from Diadem and farm i270 upgrade tokens weekly from the Void Ark

*snerk*
You think that matters to people who are good enough to beat that fight in classes? They probably already handily got the i270 gear and weapons months ago via raiding and just did it in april for the lulz because they got the thing on farm and got bored.

In fact, they first did it with echo to see if it was possible, then decided to try again without. They most likely didn't even have Diadem weapons, because those are fairly rare. They "could" have done it on the same patch, if they had wanted. They just didn't, it was easier to learn in jobs first.

The whole point is: If "viability" is all you're concerned with, then you can leave any and all balancing discussions for good, because even classes are viable, so jobs will definitely be. You have nothing to discuss, there's no point even raising your voice. You're just noise.

Balance is a different thing that's about whether the jobs will be equally good, or at least roughly. That is an independent discussion from viability - you can have all jobs balanced without any of them being viable and all viable without any of them being balanced. And this is what people are worried about with white mage. It will most definitely be able to clear all content - but is there any reason to pick one over an Astrologian? Is there a reason to pick a Conjurer over a White Mage? That's the thing people are worried about. The content will be clearable, that's taken for granted.