Boycotting Warrior 4.0 (Let's do it!)

[Sylvina]

I think the doomsaying is silly and WAR will be at least as good in SB as it is now. Why bother with bloodbath when you have Rampart and a healer? 6 fell cleaves is gonna do a lot of damage for a tank and generate some good threat too. I don't see any issue with SB warrior.

[konpachizaraki]

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no it's not going to be "at least as good SB as it is now" and it has some issue like their new skills
1.onslaught is our gap closer but not just it consumed war beast gauge to use(means it will delay you using fell cleave or inner beast) you can't use infuriate pre battle to charge your gauge means you can't use it as a pulling move and since sprint doesn't consume TP anymore per 4.0 i rather use that than waste my beast gauge to something that isn't fell cleave and inner beast
2.upheaval may have good potency which is 300, but it also uses beast gauge and also its damage get lower along with your HP, using it will delay you using fell cleave and inner beast which both have stronger potency
3.shake it off i don't know why that skills even exist it will be at least a bit useful if berserk wasn't changed, and it will never save the warrior's life or be useful in a big way for that matter
berserk is now nothing more than weaker fight or flight, both has 30% damage increase and same cooldown but berserk is 10 seconds shorter in duration, storm path loses its 10% damage debuff too, so other than slashing debuff war offer nothing to the party except for raw damage which the other 2 tanks are gonna match anyway since they got buffed offensively

[aleph_null]

I think the doomsaying is silly and WAR will be at least as good in SB as it is now. Why bother with bloodbath when you have Rampart and a healer? 6 fell cleaves is gonna do a lot of damage for a tank and generate some good threat too. I don't see any issue with SB warrior.

One butcher's block combo generates nearly as much aggro as 5 fell cleaves, so it's not that simple. Also if you wait to build up enough gauge for the 6 fell cleave rotation you'll have to start with eye-path-path-eye combo before using berserk, and that's like 25-30s into the fight before using your fell cleaves.

2.upheaval may have good potency which is 300, but it also uses beast gauge and also its damage get lower along with your HP, using it will delay you using fell cleave and inner beast which both have stronger potency

Upheaval is better than fell cleave in terms of potency/gauge, and it's off gcd so it's better. The only time you shouldn't use upheaval is when you'll lose a fell cleave for a heavy swing or maim during a buff window (500 > 150/190 potency loss is bigger than 300 from upheaval), otherwise upheaval takes priority over fell cleave. Inner beast is a defensive utility so obviously it takes priority over the other two, assuming you need it.

Onslaught isn't good but there might be cases where you can spare 20 gauge when upheaval is on cooldown, so that's still a "free" 100 potency. For example between berserks your goal would be to build at least 120 gauge so you can use one upheaval out of berserk and still have 100 gauge to start the next berserk. If you can build 140 gauge instead, then that 20 extra gauge can be spent on onslaught without delaying your berserk. I did some experiment on a spreadsheet, and it seems like I can use onslaught once between my 2nd and 3rd berserk without losing any upheaval or fell cleave (since using a fell cleave after 2nd berserk before 3rd berserk would delay your 3rd berserk by 3 gcd).