Boycotting Warrior 4.0 (Let's do it!)

[Reynhart]

This is a good thing.

Player growth is a good thing. Only one type of growth for every job is a bad thing.

You seem to think that people have the default attitude of "if there's someone better than me out there, I'll never catch up to them. If something has a little complexity, I cannot learn it."

What ? That's absolutely not what I'm saying. I don't care that some people are better than me. I care that there is only one way to be optimal and that I don't find that particular way fun. (Even before adressing the issue of PLD being my most beloved tank in a world where DRK+WAR was the supreme setup)

Does the existence of a World 8 in Super Mario Bros discourage someone who's only on World 1?

Let's phrase it another way. You play a game with player choices and you are an honest pacifist. But then, you learn that the only way to get the golden ending is to kill everyone in sight. Would you still be motivated by that game ?

[Brannigan]

I care that there is only one way to be optimal and that I don't find that particular way fun.

The optimum, by definition, is a single thing. The *best* result. I changed my example in an edit while you were posting it seems, but the existence of tool assisted speedruns doesn't stop people from enjoying games normally. The fact that the best way to kill something involves using stances well shouldn't discourage you if you can't (or don't like to), because the fights are still able to be completed even if you don't use stances.

As for the whole pacifist/murderer example - different actions lead to different results. If you want to kill a raid boss in 7 minutes you're going to need to do different things than a group that kills it in 9 minutes. If you want the golden murderer ending, you'd better get to killing. If killing is the only way to beat the game, but I only want to play a pacifist, then it turns out I actually don't like that game and it'll probably sit abandoned next to all my other incomplete projects.

Like I get that you apparently don't like how raid tanking works in FFXIV, but it's been this way for like four years now. Maybe you just don't like tanking in FFXIV.

[SarianDracon]

I started in ARR with the Warrior and it was my favourite tank class, until now. I used to spam flash and overpower to hold a lot of enemies. It was really fun to me handling the mp and tp costs. But at the moment it seems to me warrior has the highest tp costs of all classes (why does he have 70tp for the damn first attack and high costs for overpower, which is his aoe pull), no use for mp and nearly no possibility to refill his tp. The new role skill has a 90 sec cooldown and a really short range, which makes it useless to me. At this point I think it´s really hard now to tank as a warrior. Paladin seems to be buffed so high. Less tp costs, use of mp, more aoe skills, more attack power on his skills. And like other people say, spamming fell cleave is just damn boring.