Consolidated White Mage 4.0 Feedback Thread

[Exiled_Tonberry]

OR they dropped the ball in the first place, are unwilling to admit their mistake, and are kicking the can hoping the complaints go away. I wonder which is more likely...

Obviously this is whats going on. The lily system is fundamentally flawed. They'd have to go back and reconsider everything not only about WHMs, but the other healers as well.
It's not an easy job I'm sure, but it's no excuse to brush off all of our feedback and complaints since the media tour. Seriously, I would have actually preferred a "no comment but we acknowledge your feedback" response over this. What he did here was completely invalidate every single thing we've said. As a WHM main, it feels freaking horrible to have all 2500+ posts of opinions stepped over and ignored until savage Omega...

We basically just wasted our time.

[dark494]

From E3. Down from 300 to 250%. Napkin math has it at about +60 potency over current.

Edit: This is also the tooltip at Level 63.

[Niroken]

First of all, thank you for a well worded question precisely addressing the concerns on WHM, Bayonne!

That was the best thing I took from the Live Letter. They really showed they took our concerns to heart and it showed that they already conveyed our concerns to the developer team judging from Yoshi-P's reaction.

[Exiled_Tonberry]

From E3. Down from 300 to 250%. Napkin math has it at about +60 potency over current.

60 potency is a huge increase for a spammable shield. I'm not sure why they're making Nocturnal AST sheilds so much stronger than SCH on average.

[Fyce]

I'm not sure why they're making Nocturnal AST sheilds so much stronger than SCH on average.

If N.AST shields were weaker, then they wouldn't be able to compete with SCH. Not even with Balance, now that SCH will have its own version of Battle Litany. The fairy is still an insanely good healing and mitigation tool.

So, it makes sense to give N.AST stronger shields, especially since it's pretty much their only mitigation tool with Collective Unconscious (and sometimes Bole, but, yeah...).
I even think that E4E is pretty much mandatory for N.AST, since Disable is gone.

[eagledorf]

If N.AST shields were weaker, then they wouldn't be able to compete with SCH ... fairy

That's the problem with N.AST in general, trying to make it two jobs in one instead of giving it a unique identity or making the other two jobs in the role share more capabilities. Now they have a spammable shield that's almost as much potency as a critical Adlo (575 potency??) every time, that makes no damn sense.

Honestly, this expansion was their opportunity to completely go back to the drawing board with AST's stances. Something like Diurnal being the default, then you can turn on Nocturnal by spending gauge to provide a shield or something like that. That fixes the problem of the fairy by giving AST HOTs to keep healing while they apply a shield. It's a bit of a band-aid fix, but...I'm not being paid to do this.

Instead they decided to take away WHM's only reliable mitigation tool and make AST's shields all vastly superior to SCH's to "fix" things.

[Exiled_Tonberry]

If N.AST shields were weaker, then they wouldn't be able to compete with SCH. Not even with Balance, now that SCH will have its own version of Battle Litany. The fairy is still an insanely good healing and mitigation tool.

So, it makes sense to give N.AST stronger shields, especially since it's pretty much their only mitigation tool with Collective Unconscious (and sometimes Bole, but, yeah...).
I even think that E4E is pretty much mandatory for N.AST, since Disable is gone.

Ugh. I could get into how this is a result of ASTs flawed design, but what's the point if SE doesn't listen to us at all.

[razzgrizz3]

I wish that instead of rambling incoherently about raid scenarios and telling everyone to calm down yoshida would admit that they messed up in a big way. Which looking at all stolen whm skills and geting nothing back, looking at all the insane buffs and new utility toys the other healers got couldnt be clearer that they completely droped the ball.

rip whm :/.Sadly with yoshidas pissy atitiude I have no hope in this geting fixed at this stage.

[magnanimousCynic]

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Well if 2.0 WAR and 3.0 AST are any indicators, we may get obscene buffs in later patches.

One could only hope though. ;-;

[KingFrost]

Honestly, it'll only be a matter of time before they can't avoid the issue regardless. The drop off for play of the job at 70 inevitable, the stigma around it will stop people from wanting to even bother leveling (Honestly, given the mess 61+ is, I wouldn't blame them), and the kicks/ridicule that I'm certain will happen of the WHM once it's set in stone how much weaker it is than the other(Clearly better built and superior) healers, will be the "wake up" call they need.

For now, we just have to wait and use new abilities to say they suck, I guess. Because Confessions could be super duper handy, and stoneskin might have been OP. -_-