Do AST really need this Buff?

[LegoTechnic]

??? If WHM has better MP regen, but higher MP costs, how is that so unbalanced compared to AST having worse regen, but lower costs?

AST regen has a variable aspect due to Ewer, so it's a disservice to do a straight compare.

[Neela]

There is so much hate in that statement.

I find it hilarious that tanks and dps are totally fine with the future while healers are begging for other healers to be nerfed, based on changes they've never even played.

I guess you havent read all the complains about Smn nerfs than (especially Silverquick ones mimimi wuuuaaah...). I main smn & whm on raid-lvl. Although i personally dont think that smn got nerfed (just more shifted to burst & utility) - WHM got slapped with their toolkit and Lily system pretty hard but with those overdone Ast adjusments it even feels DBL slapped right in the face... for Sch idk loosing power in dps but gaining this 400+ (?) regentick is hard for me to judge - never the less noc shield is a joke, like their raw healing pot too... if you give Ast those powerful pots - Sch & Whm should get their Card buffs as well höhö .___.

They just messed up all 3 healers with SB.

[Maero]

I will go back to what i said in the sch thread, nerfing stuff is never the solution to fixing the problem it simply showcases that they made poor design choices

[Maku]

I had been a firm SCH and WHM mainly do to feeling safer DPSing on those jobs while being able to maintain party health. Once I started to see all these AST buffs, I took it out for a ride.

Ran Dun Scath (I know it isn't difficult) but even before these buffs 2 AST (myself included) had balance up I would say about 75% of the time with no healing issues and once Cleric Stance dies DPSing on it will be much easier. I can't imagine a scenario where 2 ASTs, even in the current state, would be out shined by any other combination of healers. Once these buffs hit, if they hit in their current renditions, there will be no contest. The other healers will be personal preferences only and simply will not be able to compete. AST really doesn't need these buffs and I think SE realizes that and will not implement them as they are currently understood.

[LegoTechnic]

I had been a firm SCH and WHM mainly do to feeling safer DPSing on those jobs while being able to maintain party health. Once I started to see all these AST buffs, I took it out for a ride.

Ran Dun Scath (I know it isn't difficult) but even before these buffs 2 AST (myself included) had balance up I would say about 75% of the time with no healing issues and once Cleric Stance dies DPSing on it will be much easier. I can't imagine a scenario where 2 ASTs, even in the current state, would be out shined by any other combination of healers. Once these buffs hit, if they hit in their current renditions, there will be no contest. The other healers will be personal preferences only and simply will not be able to compete. AST really doesn't need these buffs and I think SE realizes that and will not implement them as they are currently understood.

Progression raiding is a different matter. Not only do you not want that hit to limit break generation that comes from multiple of the same class, but there are tools WHM and SCH bring that are either beneficial or simply easier to use. If you're running a DRK tank (and let's be clear, for most of HW everyone was), then Benediction turns Walking Dead into a triviality and lets you easily milk a good 10 seconds out of it, not counting the initial Living Dead timer. SCH's have indomitability which is just ridiculously useful as a reaction cover in between big explosions, and while it's sometimes a liability (see: Brute Justice targetting it for beam attacks) the fairy is a solid support tool that can even give the AST a free extra divine seal as a casual bonus.

In other content, including primals, dungeons, and whatever else you can think of then you're right, it legitimately doesn't matter, but then group composition as a whole is irrelevant, as you can clear that content with pretty much anything so long as you can dance the shuffle. Granted you probably don't want double SCH for a lot of things given their shields can't stack (whereas regens will), but you can get by if you have to.

[AstroZombie]

I will go back to what i said in the sch thread, nerfing stuff is never the solution to fixing the problem it simply showcases that they made poor design choices

What are you even trying to say here? Are you saying if they did make poor design choices they shouldn't fix them? When something is overpowered lowering its power level is the simplest and most efficient solution possible. Are you seriously implying that every time they make an ability with a potency that's too high they should buff every other class, and as a result warp the entire game around their mistake, instead of admitting it was a mistake? I mean what other solutions are there even, a rework? If you rework an ability and it ends up being less efficient than the ability they had pre-rework that's still a nerf. Like, what is the logic behind this at all? In what way does your post make even a little bit of sense?

[Maero]

You are not exactly offering solutions now are you? Then again you would need some experience at healing i guess???

SE are well aware on what needs (or needed) fixing and while i do not agree with all the complaints people are having (or have had even before news of SB) it does sound like whm is in very poor state. This expansion was almost an opportunity for them to start "Fresh" after all. No new healers were added as they wanted to balance the healer jobs...
OP asked if astro actually needed to be buffed and it is being buffed for SB actually, which it was not at all needed. Soo is it not a bad choice?
Sch is getting a fair amount of nerfs and whm is "ok" i guess.
We will however have to wait and see when SB comes out if it is as bad as some are calling it.

Anyways i do not need to answer to people that love to spend their time quoting people, lol

[AstroZombie]

You are not exactly offering solutions now are you? Then again you would need some experience at healing i guess???

Thank you for the personal attack at my level of game play experience but I play Scholar regularly, it's just not my main. Even if I hadn't you don't need to play any of the classes to understand game balance so it's not relevant.

Anyways i do not need to answer to people that love to spend their time quoting people, lol

And yet you answered anyways, albeit nothing you said had anything to do with what I asked or quoted. I'm getting the impression you have no idea what you're actually on about with your "all nerfs are bad" nonsense, since this is like classic textbook deflection. It's okay to admit you were incorrect on the internet, I promise it doesn't hurt- I did it earlier in this same thread.

[dark494]

From E3. Down from 300%. Roughly +60 potency over current now.

[Maero]

And yet YOU had firstly took it upon yourself to quote me on just a single line that i had said and go on and on... You could have easily like not quoted me?
Why do people feel the need in this forum to always quote people and rather then offer advice on the actual topic go off and say something else?
It is not high school here.

Nothing you went off about was about "Does Ast need Buff"
Sure granted i did not ellaborate like my 2nd posting on something more appropriate to the topic at hand which i should have instead of my remark but people have said worst...

Anyways, i do apologize about the comment about actually needing experience but i do take all jobs seriously as play them all at some point.