Do AST really need this Buff?

[Miste]

Don't forget that during your rotation if you keep drawing garbage cards you can 50/50 turn them into a 300 potency single target nuke or 500 potency heal.

Well I never said I disliked all the changes to AST. That mechanic I kind of want to play it before I really dissect it, it does seem interesting though.

[Johaandr]

Don't that was what the OP was getting at it seemed like... especially with that original line of removing Benefic.

Again if you want to contribute to the discussions going on and want to be taking seriously, don't just throw around stuff that isn't helpful.

So try again!

Not worth it. One can't take a simple joke. Dramatic dude..

[Kaurie]

There is no reason to nerf something before it even comes out AND with unsure potencies atm, because SO MUCH information is so mixed up and not even finalized at the moment we are just SO UNSURE of so much.

I agree for the most part on what you're saying here. That said, it does seem odd to buff the strongest healer in the game, while simultaneously nerfing both other healers.

[Eloah]

Give some time, when thing finally checked and observed iam sure the ast will get balanced out later

That or either whm got buff or ast got nerf

On healer class note, i wish we have some sort of combat healer class, like battle priest or sort

This was supposed to be Scholar, and for the most part it was, but now who knows, our DPS took a huge hit.

[Pomelo]

This Earthly Dominance seems to be the AST version of Assize to be fair (just delayed a bit) I have no idea why we got our shields buffed to be fair, I guess we are supposed to take the same spot as a SCH now, we both bring similar things now (SCH crit buff, Ast Balance...yeah)

300% shields which can critical, is better than Sch critical doubles I think??

Personally I'd remove HoT's from WHM.
Remove Nocturnal from AST.

So there are 3 types of healers.
WHM - The Pure Healer with biggest heals.
AST - The HoT healer
SCH - Shield healer

[Heilstos]

Hey Pomelo,

At the Moment the Aspected Benefic have 230 HP (Healpower) [with HW Crit (from 1215 crit. gear) multi. from 0.67 it is ~ 384HP ] as Heal and as 690HP [with HW Crit (from 1215 crit. gear) multi. from 0.67 it is 1152HP] shild = 920 HP [Crit case : 1536HP] heal at all.

Sond Great, or^^. Have a look to SCH:

SCH have a 300 HP heal from Adlo [with HW Crit (from 1215 crit. gear) multi. from 0.67 it is 501HP heal]. Plus 300 HP Shild [with the crit the sch have a duplicate heal as shild 1002HP shild] = 600HP [with crit 1503HP] heal at all.

We look at the non crit case: 690 HP shild from Aspected Benefic to a 300 HP from the Adlo. The fairy had to heal (250HP heal from Embrace) to 1-2 times and the Shildbonus from Aspected Benefic is gone. In the Crit case have Aspected Benefic have a 1152HP shild to an 1002 HP shild from Adlo. In the crit case the fairy had to heal (250HP heal from Embrace) to 1 time and the Shildbonus from Aspected Benefic is gone.

But this changes for the AST moves the astrologian closer to the scholar. (for shilding)

Conclusion: The AST have to be the shild healer to have the same power as the hybrid Petmaster-Healer aka SCH. I know the Buffs form Nocturnal AST sonds strong in theory. But in the comparison with Adlo; the sch can compensate the shild weakness with the fairy heal. In the crit case the SCH is a bit stronger at all. But the adlo shild is a bit weaker than Aspected Benefic shild; for that resone the sch have the fairy.

Substantiation for the Conclusion: In one handy the SCH is anymore the "pure" shild healer, because the new fairypower. In the other hand SE can only buff the AST in Nocturnal-scalable skills, or the Diunal Astro become stonger => unfair for WHM. At all the Dev-Team can only change something at Nocturnal-stance, Aspected Benefic and Aspected Helios to balance the power of the fairy.

[VraeliaValkyria]

To me honestly, ASTs are WAY TOO DAMN POWERFUL. They have literally replaced WHM. And nearly replacing SCHs. Which is a stupid f'ed up move on SE's part. AST is a HYBRID JOB. It doesn't need ANY of these overpowered buffs that SE so does claim to think it needs to balance out the healer jobs. A hybrid, should stay a hybrid. And not take over the role of the master burst healer (WHM) nor the role of the master shielder (SCH). I understand that AST needed to be buffed to begin with, when no one was using it much (1 yr ago?). But, treading on a WHM's and a SCH's sole purpose is messed up af.

[Yamimarik]

When there is an expansion upgrade to buy and you gain more levels you are supposed to get more powerful. So buffs are in general necessary for all jobs to make people feel like they are getting more powerful since they spent money to purchase the expansion upgrades; just like how upgrading gear does that. An expansion is something you pay for for an upgrade.

So I don't think of it as AST was undeserving of buffs...more like they didn't buff (utility/mechanics) WHM/SCH enough and/or took away too much of their DPS capability(in SCH's case) since SE seems to prefer healers be healers and seem to be trying to remove DPS aspects somewhat by removing a lot of extra DPS spells healers had.

I personally as a main AST don't like the AST changes either. I don't consider the healing potency on Diurnal a "buff" I consider it a nerf since I liked Diurnal AST for it's extra speed.

But I personally want to try SB before I freak out too much over stuff....I almost kind of want to switch to WHM for savage due to ASTs very simplified/nerfed DPS rotation now. I understand since AST offers cards we can't DPS for a lot, but the unfortunate side effect of that is boring gameplay. We lost 2/3 of our DoTs so single target DPS is reduced to Combust II then spam Malefic III and that's it and lost a lot of weaving capability :/

Finally! someone who gets it! This is exactly how I feel for the most part. A lot of the cure potency buffs I completely agree with, were not warranted on AST at all. To me as well taking our speed buff away from Diurnal feels more like a nerf then a buff w/ the potency on it now. I'm hoping both the English and Japanese tool tips are wrong and or changed because it really isn't needed, and at least for me, wanted.

The original line had (joke) behind it. And i removed it. Bcuse this forum has people like you with red eyes. So sorry for joking.
This is the forum full of randoms like me and, you gotta accept that.

being off topic.

Debates are extremely heated at the moment for healer. Even for AST. So no.... I don't have to accept anything, and I'm assuming you're insulting me, if that's the case... that doesn't help either. If enough people tried to really get behind such a joke, sometimes the devs will give it some thought, so no I didn't find it funny, and I never want AST back in the stone-age of 3.0 launch. So I didn't find it amusing, your original post is still very hyperbolic even without the bad joke.

I agree for the most part on what you're saying here. That said, it does seem odd to buff the strongest healer in the game, while simultaneously nerfing both other healers.

I actually didn't say it in my original post you quoted, but I was quoting the OP's original post before they edited and shuffled a lot of the wording around. No, I'm ok with them removing the healing potency on AST and their sects, because it really isn't needed (at least as of now, I could be wrong as all of us are and it is a warranted buff because we really have NO information on endgame for 4.0 as of now and present.) But... I was more referring to the OP wanting Earthly Star already nerfed. That was more what I was referring to.

[Johaandr]

spam

Not worth it dramatic dude

[Elamys]

My biggest problem with the AST changes is that the discard ability got called Undraw. What is that. I still call Redraw Shuffle. stop this madness