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    Heilstos's Avatar
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    Marius Heilstos
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    Odin
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    Astrologian Lv 100
    Quote Originally Posted by Alice_89th View Post
    As a SCH main, the noct shields feel like such a slap in the face.

    I still like the idea of AST having a regen and a shield stance, but not like this.
    WHM was build around large heals and regens, but Diurnal AST now outshines them.
    SCH was build around utility and shields, but Nocturnal AST now outshines them.

    Maybe I am being a special snowflake, maybe I am being petty, but it still feels like I am getting slapped in the face.

    So If I say, that I do not like the free Heal form Fairys. Because the Fairy "outshine" AST and Whm. Should SE delet the Eos and Selene. I dont think so.

    I have clarified that the astro shields are only an adaptation to the power of Adlos + fairyhealing by the scholars. -> Link

    At the Moment the SCH "outshines" every Healer atm. He is not a shild Healer anymore because the support if the fairy.

    Either You can heal with strong shields and and be a shield healers or you heal with shields plus support from Eos and is a hybrid-Petmasterhealer with shilds.
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    Kirsa Ishtola
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    Balmung
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    Arcanist Lv 37
    Quote Originally Posted by Heilstos View Post
    So If I say, that I do not like the free Heal form Fairys. Because the Fairy "outshine" AST and Whm. Should SE delet the Eos and Selene. I dont think so.

    At the Moment the SCH "outshines" every Healer atm. He is not a shild Healer anymore because the support if the fairy.

    Either You can heal with strong shields and and be a shield healers or you heal with shields plus support from Eos and is a hybrid-Petmasterhealer with shilds.
    The AST shield buff is still a bit much considering just how much they can do. Right now it seems like they have the most utility on top of really good healing in both stances (along with arguably better DPS than SCH now depending on if the changes as we know them go through). Plus, the fairy is getting a slight nerf.

    Quote Originally Posted by LydiaF View Post
    My concern is healing boredom.
    With this buff, the possible boredom that will come from safe healing and elongated windows for uninteresting dps rotations means I will be on auto pilot 100% of the time.
    This is my biggest worry right now. It especially worries me for SCH, as I feel like it may end up being super boring to play in Stormblood. I'm considering switching to DPS for the expansion because I honestly don't like the way things are going for healers. Still haven't decided what to do yet. May still go WHM, or give in to the blatant AST favoritism. If not, I'll just go back to BRD since I am super excited for the changes.
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    Last edited by Evumeimei; 06-06-2017 at 09:07 PM.

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    Lutemis Rangar
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    tl;dr: You have offered no opinion or feedback, you've been nothing but rude, you're just parroting other people, and at this point I'd disagree with you if you said the sky was blue, because I don't like your attitude.
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    Kaurie Lorhart
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    As a hybrid class, I would prefer if AST was more hybrid based. Diurnal and Nocturnal should work like the bard songs, a stance that lasts 30 seconds on a 50 second cooldown or so. Have the ASTs alternate whether they are shielding or regening, and have their shields/regens stack with WHM/SCH. Make WHM and SCH's regens and shields more potent than ASTs, where AST doesn't shine in the potency department, but in the group buffs and ability to regen and shield in a fight. It would make AST more fun to play and it would help keep WHM/SCH both relevant and maintain their strengths.
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    Johaandr's Avatar
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    Bell Jee
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    Phantom
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    Scholar Lv 90
    Quote Originally Posted by Kaurie View Post
    As a hybrid class, I would prefer if AST was more hybrid based. Diurnal and Nocturnal should work like the bard songs, a stance that lasts 30 seconds on a 50 second cooldown or so. Have the ASTs alternate whether they are shielding or regening, and have their shields/regens stack with WHM/SCH. Make WHM and SCH's regens and shields more potent than ASTs, where AST doesn't shine in the potency department, but in the group buffs and ability to regen and shield in a fight. It would make AST more fun to play and it would help keep WHM/SCH both relevant and maintain their strengths.
    tbh that doesnt sound bad! Having them not locked into stances bur rather dance around with it. At the same time they support their party with card buff.
    but not sure how it would play out ;o
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    Last edited by Johaandr; 06-07-2017 at 03:45 AM.

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    Mature Rudlum
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    WHY are we asking for nerf or buff WHEN THE BLOODY GAME IS NOT EVEN OUT??!!

    People are either bored or got too much time on their hands.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Mature View Post
    WHY are we asking for nerf or buff WHEN THE BLOODY GAME IS NOT EVEN OUT??!!

    People are either bored or got too much time on their hands.
    Seems pretty crazy that people are using things like math and quoted design philosophy to draw conclusions!
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    Vraelia Valkyria
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    Tonberry
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    Scholar Lv 81
    Quote Originally Posted by Mature View Post
    WHY are we asking for nerf or buff WHEN THE BLOODY GAME IS NOT EVEN OUT??!!

    People are either bored or got too much time on their hands.
    First of all. Stormblood is not a game. It's an expansion to a currently played game. Expansions does not equal a game. :P
    Second of all, due to how much information people has gathered. And the amount of time people has gone through to calculate potencies. Yes, we have the right to complain.
    SCH is getting incredibly shafted on DPS.
    AST is overpowered. Replacing WHM. And nearly replacing a SCH.
    WHMs being shit, and not given the fairness it rightfully deserves.
    Devs don't know how to actually think clearly because of 'just AST' thinking when it comes to healers.

    As a SCH, I want my DPS back. I want my Aetherflows to be back to normal. I want the MP cost to scale with my level, as it always have been previously.
    I want the devs to leave things alone and let them be. Changing Aetherflow and increasing MP cost, while nerfing our DPS is unjustly thought out. It really, makes no sense whatsoever. Yes, I understand we're getting Refresh and Lucid Dreaming to make up for it. But, I don't like all these changes that they are doing against both SCHs and WHMs.
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    Ayer Austen
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    Red Mage Lv 90
    It seems like people forget how much whining there was when AST healing potency was lower than the other healers.
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    Vraelia Valkyria
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    Tonberry
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    Scholar Lv 81
    Quote Originally Posted by Ayer2015 View Post
    It seems like people forget how much whining there was when AST healing potency was lower than the other healers.
    It's because they're a a freaking HYBRID JOB. It's supposed to be lower. It should NEVER replace a WHM. Nor come close to repalcing a SCH. with their Card system, it shouldn't be anywhere near powerful like a WHM or a SCH is. A hybrid job, is a hybrid for a reason.
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