Consolidated White Mage 4.0 Feedback Thread

[dark494]

You guys missed the entire point and purpose of the post/video. Yoshi came out to say that the media tour build everyone is freaking out over is over a month old and "a lot" has changed since then, not only cure 2. Point is, you're all overreacting on false information over everything, so sit down and chill until you actually get substantive and accurate information.

Literally what everyone else has been telling you from the start.

[Metsonm]

You guys missed the entire point and purpose of the post/video. Yoshi came out to say that the media tour build everyone is freaking out over is over a month old and "a lot" has changed since then, not only cure 2. Point is, you're all overreacting on false information over everything, so sit down and chill until you actually get substantive and accurate information.

Literally what everyone else has been telling you from the start.

The issue isn't fixed with a number change. It's a core, fundamental flaw with the entire system. Sure, some points are coming from rates or potencies but the majority are coming from aspects that are very unlikely to change on their own.

Yes, these points are likely going to be invalidated in 10 days regardless, but we're working off what we currently have in the hopes that if it hasn't changed, or changed the wrong way, Yoshi and the team can deal with it.

[Yhximott]

Yes, these points are likely going to be invalidated in 10 days regardless, but we're working off what we currently have in the hopes that if it hasn't changed, or changed the wrong way, Yoshi and the team can deal with it.

THIS exactly. We all know the changes might have come. We aren't working under that assumption because that's best-case. We have to work under the assumption that things are as we have been told they are, and our positions will adjust as confirmation of changes are presented to us.

Nay sayers need to stop falling into the confirmation bias trap. You're not right until you're proven right, and we're not wrong until we're proven wrong. Just because you END UP being right about things doesn't mean you were always right about them.

[Mahkii]

THIS exactly. We all know the changes might have come. We aren't working under that assumption because that's best-case. We have to work under the assumption that things are as we have been told they are, and our positions will adjust as confirmation of changes are presented to us.

Nay sayers need to stop falling into the confirmation bias trap. You're not right until you're proven right, and we're not wrong until we're proven wrong. Just because you END UP being right about things doesn't mean you were always right about them.

People don't understand this. I think any effort we put towards communicating what we want from SE is not wasted. We've still yet to see a reason to bring a WHM when we could have The Balance and Chain Stratagem. SE won't design content that requires specifically a WHM for healing. That would be a more horrible imbalance than what we have right now. (I'm trusting you to not prove me wrong on this matter, SE.)

[Dirashi]

Youre all overreacting on false information over everything

The problem mostly isn't with the values, the problem is with the lily mechanic. Unless theyve reworked the mechanic (which I doubt knowing how long SE takes to rework), we will be left with the same underwhelming product in the end. Also, we aren't overreacting. Its better to be proactive than reactive. What this means is we raised so much noise SE saw how unsatisfied we were as a community; all of this before the expac.

Now if we sat quiet until launch, we could be stuck with a terrible mechanic from release through 4.4 for all we know. It takes a lot of resources/time to redesign a job mechanic. We shouldn't have to sit and wait a year to see our job receive adjustments it could've received before launch if we expressed our dissatisfaction. Its better to start out with a bang and raise awareness than to just create one after the fact since doing so will only delay the fixes even longer. That is something we definitely do not want to happen.

[javid]

You guys missed the entire point and purpose of the post/video. Yoshi came out to say that the media tour build everyone is freaking out over is over a month old and "a lot" has changed since then, not only cure 2. Point is, you're all overreacting on false information over everything, so sit down and chill until you actually get substantive and accurate information.

Literally what everyone else has been telling you from the start.

We'll have to wait and see what all the changes are. But based on 100% lily proc rate off cure II and supposed 20% chance of confession; every raid pre-pull sequence could start off with 6 cure II.

According the the Job action video you can obtain lilies even while an ally is full HP. So you'll cast 3 cure IIs get 3 lilies then cast Divine Benison, then cast 3 more cure IIs for 3 more lilies for a 25% dps buff on your second use of Assize. Meanwhile you'll have a high chance of getting 1 confession during that prep drill, which if proc can be used within <30 in the place of Tetragrammon (allowing tetragrammon to replace yet another mandatory healing gcd).

This prep drill is comparable to the AST and SCH pre drills

Obvious draw backs to this WHM prep drill is MP!!!!

Scenario 1

• Cast 3 cure II's
• wait for complete MP regen (9-12 sec)
• execute Divine Bension 17 sec pre pull
• start casting 3 more cure II's at 17 sec pre pull
• 9 sec left b4 pull to get 90-100% Full mp regen

Perks:

• Tank has a 15% shield for 13 sec,
• Benison recast @ 31 sec on pull,
• Your second assize will come in 25% faster,
• 48.8% chance you will have a confession stack on tank that proc off the last 3 cure II (in the off chance u got one you'd have between 15-20 sec during the opener to make use of it).

Cons

• 13 sec buff may not be long enough for tank to maximize the 15% shield, especially if OH (AST/SCH) adds their own buffed shields, if the boss doesn't hit hard enough faster enough a port of your shield would have been wasted, yet that a matter of effective potency/max potency.
• 15-20 may NOT be long enough time for the tank to take dmg worth a decent effective potency/max potency out of PI--all in hopes of save a GCD and potentially a CD=Tetragrammon.
• Cumbersome pre-pull ritual for a healing class that's accustom to taking it EZ

Scenario 2

• Cast 3 cure II's
• wait for complete MP regen (9-12 sec)
• execute Divine Bension 8 sec pre pull
• start casting 3 more cure II's at 8 sec pre pull
• Execute Lucid Dreaming

Perks

• Tank has a 22 sec, 15% shield,
• Benison recast @ 40 sec on pull,
• Your second Assize will come in 25% faster,
• 48.8% chance you have a confession stack on tank off the last 3 cures (in the off chance u got one you'd have between 24-29 sec during the opener to make use of it).

Cons

• You'll be 3 cure II's short of max MP on pull
• You'll be fighting to lose MP fast enough such that Assize + Lucid Dreaming doesn't Saturate your MP pool (NOT TO MENTION THIN AIR.......rip...)
• Still a cumbersome pre-pull ritual with now an even tighter execution requirement

You can make other small variations to the two scenarios, such as not using Lucid Dreaming until after Thin Air and Assize and mp is low enough to make certain it will not saturate. Or do all 6 cures II instantaneously pre-pull with a quick divine bension between first 3 cures and last 3 cures which would up your chances of getting a confession to 73.8% with 17-28 sec during opener to utilize PI. And b/c you spam those cures you could pop lucid Dreaming asap upon pull being more confident you'll not saturate your mp pool using lucid + thin + assize in close succession. (do not use Lucid dream before assize....the amount of instant hate you'll generate on your opener will be huge)

All these variations and more just b/c we have a 100% chance of lilies and 20% chance of getting a confession?